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Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Bengal on November 09, 2006, 04:36:51 PM
I was just wondering..

I just now added hippos after getting MM2. I don't have a tank for them, just a pool of water. Has MM2 allowed them to walk underwater now? All of mine were doing it, but they didn't really have any new animations, they just looked like they were walking on land. When I looked at their actions, it just said "Walking Around" ..they looked like they were stuck in a hole, walking around. Is this a glitch, or do they just walk around underwater now with MM2?
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: mikaboshi on November 09, 2006, 04:43:20 PM
I actually don't have a clear cut answer for you. I thought Steve said something about some of the animals that don't go underwater but I can't recall if the hippo was on that list or not. Now, in the wild, hippos do walk underwater a lot, so I don't know if its a glitch or not, unfortunately :crying:
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Flames The Dragon on November 09, 2006, 04:52:03 PM
its no bug all mine do i`ve seen many hippos do that so it must be progarmed
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Bengal on November 09, 2006, 04:56:21 PM
Well, after watching them for awhile, they seem to get stuck underwater. They don't go to land to eat, drink, or anything and their needs continue to go into the critical zone..they just continue walking around in the water. So I do believe it must be a glitch or something..
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: zookeeper601 on November 09, 2006, 11:06:30 PM
Animals that newly go underwater are the E. penguin, P. bear, Hippopotamus. I think that's it. He said that when they watched crocs they were mostly on the surface.

Hippos walk underwater like in real life, that's programmed I think but getting stuck must be a glitch. That's all I can say at the moment but I'll experiment!!!

EDIT: I just experimented with hippos and water and it worked fine, they sunk to the bottom, wandered then surfaced then swam to the shore and exited the pool. One thing I did use though is maybe something you didn't.

When I use animals with pools inside, I always go round the edges with the 'Smooth Terrain' tool to make it a slope to et out. Maybe you could try that???

Here's a pic: Pool Gradients (http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g172/zookeeper601/?action=view¤t=PoolGradient.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1)
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: mikaboshi on November 10, 2006, 12:02:24 AM
That's a good tip zookeeper; maybe that will keep your hippos from getting in the red, Bengal.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: wolfkid92 on November 10, 2006, 12:09:56 AM
Quote from: Bengal;155710
Well, after watching them for awhile, they seem to get stuck underwater. They don't go to land to eat, drink, or anything and their needs continue to go into the critical zone..they just continue walking around in the water. So I do believe it must be a glitch or something..


actually the hippos have new behaviours for swimming but its not really a real swim, its kinda a dive to get from a high to low elevation under water, otherwise they go underwater, b/c in real life hippos walk underwater, they are newly programed for this, and the reason they arent leaving might be that you arent smoothing the terrain underwater so u have an underwater cliff which the hippos cant get back to land.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: ChubbyPanda on November 10, 2006, 12:15:58 AM
Steve said it's the crocodiles they didn't modify to swim in tanks because they stay near the surface most of the time =o.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Cuddly Panda on November 10, 2006, 12:39:57 AM
Were the crocs updated in the final version? :hmmm:
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: mikaboshi on November 10, 2006, 12:59:38 AM
No the crocs were not updated in MM2
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Bengal on November 10, 2006, 02:43:31 PM
Ah- I did not know to make slopes for the hippos. Thanks! I will try that.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: orka on November 10, 2006, 04:58:51 PM
Zookeeper is right,:thumbsup:  the only newly programmed animals in mm to swim underwater are emperor penguin, hippo (not pigmy) and polar bear. I checked the main animals's XML file and the have "submerged" actions that they didn't have before. I tried to programm the cocodrile to swim underwater, but it is a big hard stuff ! :rolleyes:
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Iwuvmyparakeetz on November 10, 2006, 05:08:41 PM
Could someone post oics of the hippos underwater?
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: zookeeper601 on November 13, 2006, 11:52:36 AM
Sorry, kept forgetting but here are a couple:

Hippo Submerged (http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g172/zookeeper601/?action=view¤t=HippoSubmerged.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1)
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: mikaboshi on November 13, 2006, 12:33:57 PM
Has anyone checked to see that the pygmy hipps doesn't do this too? Because I think they use the same animations, thus when one is updated the other should be too.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Eriorguez on November 13, 2006, 01:28:30 PM
Pigmy hippos spend most of their times in land, I think that's why they don't go underwater.
Well, at least, it might be easy to give 'em theunderwater animations.
The bad news are for moose and beaver...
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Iwuvmyparakeetz on November 13, 2006, 01:44:18 PM
So, the pygmys don't go underwater?
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: mikaboshi on November 13, 2006, 01:44:52 PM
Well moose geneally dont go under water in the way that the other animals do; they swim, yes, but the only time their heads go underwater is to eat plants off the lake floor
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: csleesburg on November 14, 2006, 12:17:20 PM
No, it's like the crocodiles. They don't go underwater, either.: :P :
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Cuddly Panda on November 15, 2006, 12:47:11 AM
Oh no! I would have loved to get the pygmy underwater. : :( :  Well, I could probably make a hack to fix this when I get it, so it doesn't matter too much. :wink:
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Bengal on November 15, 2006, 02:16:20 PM
My hippos don't look like the one that was in the picture which was posted. They look just like they are walking on land, except they are underwater. Even though I sloped the banks, they still get stuck. :wacko:
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: zookeeper601 on November 16, 2006, 10:43:52 AM
That was a submerging hippo, here's a hippo walking underwater.

Hippo Walking Underwater (http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g172/zookeeper601/?action=view¤t=HippoWalkingUnderwater.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1)

Not sure about what to do with the getting stuck, the smooth always works for me.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Megaraptor on November 16, 2006, 02:49:20 PM
Am i the only one more than a little upset about how the Crocodile doesn't submerge? BF usually does their homework. This i find a little odd.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Cuddly Panda on November 16, 2006, 03:11:21 PM
Yeah, I am too. I hope they fix it one day.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: mikaboshi on November 16, 2006, 03:24:46 PM
I think the reason why BF didn't code the crcos to go underwater is because of crocs usually are at the surface of the water, with just eyes and nostrils showing.

Taken from Animal Diversity Web:

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they often go into the water with only their eyes and nostrils showing and stay submerged


Bengal, I don't know why your hippos don't like to come back up :crying: DO they do this if they are in a mixed tank/land exhibit or only if they are in a natural one?
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Bengal on November 16, 2006, 03:35:01 PM
It's in natural exhibits...no tanks. :wacko:
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Springfield Elephant on November 16, 2006, 03:37:02 PM
I know this is a little off topic but its close to the same one, do animals play with toys in water now? Like the elephants or tigers playing with pursuit balls or plastic barrels in water? I dont get mm till christmas so i just want to know.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Leopard on November 16, 2006, 04:43:30 PM
I just have the Demo but I know that the Dolphins play with the pink balls in the water. So other animals should.?.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Megaraptor on November 17, 2006, 03:54:07 AM
Quote from: mikaboshi;157934
I think the reason why BF didn't code the crcos to go underwater is because of crocs usually are at the surface of the water, with just eyes and nostrils showing.

Taken from Animal Diversity Web:

"they often go into the water with only their eyes and nostrils showing and stay submerged"



Thats the upsetting thing though. Usually BF goes with whats realistic, not what is familiar. Nile Crocodiles spend most of their time while in the water completely submerged, usually at the bed of the river. First they made the Nile Crocodile an unrealistic lime green color, now they aren't upgrading them with the other aquatic animals. I find it very upsetting that my favorite animal in the whole game is getting left behind.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: mikaboshi on November 17, 2006, 04:03:04 AM
Quote from: Megaraptor;158075
Thats the upsetting thing though. Usually BF goes with whats realistic, not what is familiar. Nile Crocodiles spend most of their time while in the water completely submerged, usually at the bed of the river. First they made the Nile Crocodile an unrealistic lime green color, now they aren't upgrading them with the other aquatic animals. I find it very upsetting that my favorite animal in the whole game is getting left behind.


Well, as we can see the skins are getting much better - BF is improving and sadly because it was one of the first skins made, it doesn't look as realistic. I know that KK made a reskin for it though, if you'd like to try that.

Also, it is realistic to have them not go underwater...the majority of time a croc is in water, its eyes and nostrils are still visible...that's why mother nature put them there. I'm sorry, but I just went to about 20 sites trying to prove you right, but not one of them said that they are usually completely submerged. If you find a site though, please post it as I would be extremely interested in it.


Bengal, have you tried the tanks/land then? If not, do so and see if you have the same problem. :happy:
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: eye_of_the_tiger on November 17, 2006, 01:56:24 PM
i totally agree with you mega, and some varient skins or something would be nice. and it would help with privacy. oh, and it would be the most awesome hybrid exhibit. of course, i saw some crocs being completely submerged, sleeping down there and all. but that was on crocodile hunter.:crying: but i suppose they werent nile crocs.

oh, and id like to know if land animals will play with floating toys in the water, so i dont have to rescue the pursuit ball everytime my tigers:wub: knock it in.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Megaraptor on November 20, 2006, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: mikaboshi;158084
Well, as we can see the skins are getting much better - BF is improving and sadly because it was one of the first skins made, it doesn't look as realistic. I know that KK made a reskin for it though, if you'd like to try that.

Also, it is realistic to have them not go underwater...the majority of time a croc is in water, its eyes and nostrils are still visible...that's why mother nature put them there. I'm sorry, but I just went to about 20 sites trying to prove you right, but not one of them said that they are usually completely submerged. If you find a site though, please post it as I would be extremely interested in it.


Bengal, have you tried the tanks/land then? If not, do so and see if you have the same problem. :happy:


I think you are misunderstanding the placement of the eyes and nostrils. They are placed their for conveniance while hunting. Saying crocodiles of any species spend most of their time at the surface of the water counteracts the entire reason they evolved nictating membranes on each of their eyes; These membranes protect the crocodiles eyes while it is underwater, something it wouldn't need if it remained at the surface for the majority of its time.

This also defeats the purpose of the highly specialized four-chambered heart, which is quite possibly the most advanced heart in the Reptile world. The heart specializes in oxygenating the blood, which allows them to stay completely submerged for up to two hours. They also have the ability to slow the beating of their heart, another trait used to stay underwater for more than just a few minutes. A crocodile wouldn't have evolved these things if they spent most of their time at the surface of the water.

You can't forget about behaviors, as these are just as important as any physical trait. When a crocodile feels threatened, in any way, shape or form, they aren't going to splash noisily into the water just to give away their location by staying at the surface. They are going to drop to the bottom of whatever body of water the had enough time to splash into, and wait for up to two hours until they feel safe. They also sleep underwater for an extended period of time, as sleeping at the surface is something a crocodile is smart enough to know not to do, and sleeping on the river bank can be just as dangerous as sleeping at the surface. Nothing is safer for a Nile Crocodile than a large waterlogged tree on the bottom of a river.

I feel that people tend to believe crocodiles spend most of their time at the waters surface, not that they do, because it is such a unique behavior, backed up with unique placement of the eyes, ears and nostrils. It is a popular behavior because every animal special on T.V. or every "scientific article" on the Internet feels the need to point this fact above all others. It is just a glorification of a physical trait used in hunting, as well as gaining oxygen. So, a crocodile would really need to return to the surface every one or two hours, then drop back down. Also, a crocodile will only hunt when it is hungry, and seeing how it is an ectothermic animal, this occurs anywhere from two to five times a month.

I hope i got some sort of a point across. You can check all the 20 websites you found, and you will see that everything I mentioned is what Herpetologists are currently believing in terms of crocodilian behavior. I also hope I didn't write too much.:blink:
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Crookshankz227 on November 22, 2006, 05:57:53 AM
Has the Nile monitor been updated as well? It can walk underwater (only in shallow water, I think), but I don't know is this is new with MM, because I got AA and MM together.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: eye_of_the_tiger on November 23, 2006, 03:38:11 PM
no, nothing really new for the monitor. i think its just a glitch.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: zookeeper601 on November 23, 2006, 11:10:29 PM
Actually I think I know what it is, all swimming animals (including surface swimming) can be placed on land (except most MM) and in shallow or deep water. The nile monitor is a small animal so when it is placed in shallow water, it appears walking underwater until it either reaches land to walk normally or goes into deep water where it will swim on the surface.
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Giraffedude on December 24, 2006, 10:07:50 AM
so beavers cant go underwater either
Title: Hippos underwater?
Post by: shecrock on December 24, 2006, 12:31:01 PM
Yes thats right you have to smooth an edge for them to get out or they just walk tell are to tried .
Title: Re: Hippos underwater?
Post by: Goldenmarmoset on April 15, 2007, 06:52:03 PM
Its true crocodiles dont dive underwater, I made a zoo with nothing but water and they didn't dive at all.
Title: Re: Hippos underwater?
Post by: mikaboshi on April 15, 2007, 06:59:43 PM
BF already confirmed that they were not updated to go underwater