Posted by: flamethrower Aug. 4 2003, 07:52 PM
I'm no stranger to making shows. I haven't posted this for I haven't been doing shows for a long time. The reason is that it seems to me, guests are zombies when shows start. No matter how hungry, etc they are, when a new show's starting, they just go to the show no matter what gets in their way.
I would really like to have shows, but does anyone have advice on how to act against these problems? (And NO! They are not problems with downloads. I have been having these problems before I even started looking for ZT sites on the web.)
Posted by: okapi66 Aug. 4 2003, 08:08 PM
hmmm funny my guests dont seem to even realize that the shows are there
Posted by: JumpingDukes Aug. 4 2003, 08:11 PM
guests are zombies when shows start. No matter how hungry, etc they are, when a new show's starting, they just go to the show no matter what gets in their way.
I have that same problem, anybody have a suggestion?
Posted by: casey Aug. 4 2003, 09:57 PM
Have lots of restaurants and set the shows to infrequent. Give them time to get out. Many leave the zoo and become benefactors
Posted by: flamethrower Aug. 4 2003, 10:01 PM
No luck, I've already tried setting it to infrequent. Plus my guests seem to just walk right past everything and ignore them. Although the shows keep them happy, they eventually go furious over something that's their fault in the first place.
Posted by: Penguino Aug. 5 2003, 02:55 AM
There is an infrequent show hack made by Pixigger.
Posted by: Orkidgal Aug. 5 2003, 09:31 AM
DO you have more than one show? IF so, assign one MS to both of them, set the shows to infrequent, and put a restaurant directly adjacent to the grandstands. This should work. Lmk if it doesnt.
Posted by: Firstborn Dragon Aug. 6 2003, 01:20 AM
Well... I don;t know if this will solve your problem, but...
I normally have just one show tank, and attach all of my aquatic animals to that. And I never really have any problems with guests.
Up until I hit like the 6, 700 range.
Posted by: MTGuy Sep. 12 2003, 09:59 PM
I have found, as Orkidgal said, assign only one MS to all your shows and set them to infrequent. This allows plenty of time for the guest to rejuevinate while the MS goes and prepares for the show. Make sure you have restaurants near each showl.
Posted by: flamethrower Sep. 12 2003, 10:48 PM
Sorry, it doesn't seem to work. Even when the shows are like a hundred or so tiles apart, the MM show specialist still manages to go back and forth continuously. Seriously, what's the difference between infrequent and frequent?
Posted by: Eagle One Sep. 12 2003, 11:33 PM
Ok what i do. i have 3 resturants side by side next to the show were the guest exit out. I have always created one way in and one way out the show helps control the flow of people to the resturants.
Posted by: Aussie Koala Sep. 13 2003, 12:50 AM
Seriously, what's the difference between infrequent and frequent?
In the game the difference is approx 1 minute from memory. Not much difference at all.
If you download the infrequent show hack this is the timing between shows:
Infrequent - 6 minutes
Frequent - 3 minutes
Continuous = 1 minute 5 secs
it makes a substantial difference to the way your zoo is controlled.
Pixigger found and extracted the correct files to alter and made a cfg file. I made considerable testing of different intervals between shows and came up with the above time intervals as being the best to allow guests time between shows to eat and rest, and also keep the profits of the shows at a reasonable rate for incoming cash flow.
If you are not particularly worried about making money though there is no reason why these times between shows cannot be altered to longer still.
If anyone would like even longer times between their shows they can adjust the hack for their own use or myself and Pixigger would be happy to make a downloadable one with longer time delays if there is a demand for it
Posted by: pixigger Sep. 13 2003, 07:25 PM
or myself and Pixigger would be happy to make a downloadable one with longer time delays if there is a demand for it
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One point to (re)mention - guest behaviour when they exit a show is apparently to keep following a path until there is an alternate path they can take, even if this means leaving the zoo!
When creating an exit area try making the paths either branch out or just plain wider and then position your restaurants or other facilities in that area.
Posted by: flamethrower Sep. 14 2003, 05:50 PM
Thanks Pixigger, I didn't know that they would take an alternative path when they come across one.
But how do you guys consider a path, an "exit path?"
Posted by: danshow111 Sep. 25 2003, 10:12 AM
download the path blocks, use them
Posted by: pixigger Sep. 25 2003, 06:21 PM
I usually set up the Grandstands in a sort of cul-de-sac off the main path so that the path that leads between the Grandstands and the Show Tank joins the main path at either end - as the main path is always at least 2 path-widths the guests get there and then stop following a single pathway anymore and (almost always) look around for the nearest WC
Posted by: GreenGal Oct. 12 2003, 12:51 AM
Could someone post a screenshot of something like this? Like the entrance/exit to the shows with the restaurants? I'd love to see one. thanks
Posted by: pixigger Oct. 12 2003, 06:26 PM
This is the screenshot from the All MM animals zoo recently submitted - there's all six Show Animals attached to the Show with two exit paths, both leading to restaurants:
your picture was larger than the 450x450 permitted. It was edited by casey
*hope I've used the Image tag correctly?*
Posted by: flamethrower Oct. 12 2003, 06:30 PM
Wow! That's a good pic!
BTW, could you shrink the image a bit because it's making the screen go wide.
Posted by: Firehawke Oct. 13 2003, 06:59 PM
the pic looks really cool!
Posted by: eladaslink Nov. 7 2003, 01:05 PM
Ok so my problem is that the people stand at the bottom of the grandstands like zombies, but don't go up into the stands....how do i make them do that?
Posted by: casey Nov. 7 2003, 02:13 PM
I can think of two possibilities:
1. you have some use-created bench or building that is not compatible with our version
2. the guests got stuck at the end of the show. I had that happen for a while. I just picked them up and moved them.
the problem disappeared after a while.
Posted by: danshow111 Jan. 3 2004, 09:33 AM
This is what I do:
I make the show on a dead end and the resurant or food court is just outside near the main path as well.
I have the shows in small groups or singlelly. I always do it like this:
Bottlenose Dolphin and/or Blushing Bottlenose and/or Orcas.
Sea Loins and/or Otters
Great White Shark
Why? Because Great White Sharks will eat all the other show animals and Orcas and Dolphins Eat Otters and Sea lions. This I am unlikey to forget. The MS let the dolphins into GWS exhibit. I adopt more of them. Then the MS let the Otters into the Dolphin exhibit. I fired her and hired a better MS. And I adopted some more Otters.
EDIT: And set show to infrequent!
Posted by: Zookeeper Polar Feb. 22 2004, 04:46 AM
During the Orca Show Begginer Scenario, I had 2 Orca Shows. They completely ignored the second one. I t had restraunts near it in everything. They would walk near it, stop, and turn around. I didn't make a penny, Even when the show was during a time when the other one wasn't. So I had to delete the Show Tank.
Posted by: BlindTyldak Feb. 22 2004, 11:53 AM
You may have had a walkway tile under your grandstand . . . I found that for some reason that stops people from using them at all. *shrugs*
I make my shows exit into squares with fountains . . . big areas of tile with a fountain in the middle and restaurants and picnic areas surrounding it. They all split up around the fountain and grab a different stand. Just make sure you have PLENTY of room at your picnic area! Give them one main way out of the square and make sure you've got a gift shop there, because between the restaurants and the show they're going to be some VERY happy guests!
Posted by: Evilredlady May. 15 2004, 12:56 PM
A couple of things to add here. #1, once I was designing my setup and put the grandstands up before the tanks, well, something glitched because noone would enter when I opened the show. I deleted the grandstands and put up new ones and it worked. #2, I am VERY disappointed with MM for one. I have tried everything I can think of, one show tank with 5 different critters going into it set to INFREQUENT with 2 restaurants on the only path leading out on either side of the path. Guests will be in the red and walk right past the restaurants. If I pick them up and place them near the restaurant, they will go in. I did everything thats been discussed in here and yet my guest happiness stays around 89, as soon as I stop the show, within minutes, my guest happiness jumps to 96%. A guest happiness that high on a park with people still arriving means I've done something right, but I just cant keep it up due to the guests getting cause they walked right past the restaurant. Does ANYONE have ideas on this one? Why do they walk right past the restaurant? Its a double path.
Posted by: Dad-n-Daughter May. 15 2004, 01:26 PM
QUOTE (pixigger @ Oct 12 2003, 05:26 PM)
This is the screenshot from the All MM animals zoo recently submitted - there's all six Show Animals attached to the Show with two exit paths, both leading to restaurants:
Wow, that's a lot of grandstands for one show tank. Are you using a hack to have more than 1,000 guests in your zoo?
Posted by: Silme Jun. 17 2004, 04:33 AM
QUOTE (eladaslink @ Nov 7 2003, 12:05 PM)
Ok so my problem is that the people stand at the bottom of the grandstands like zombies, but don't go up into the stands....how do i make them do that?
I have the same problem, please help!
Posted by: ZooKeeperMark Jun. 17 2004, 04:41 AM
are you sure that you have the grandstands 1 grid away from the show tank.
Posted by: Silme Jun. 17 2004, 04:51 AM
yes
Posted by: ZooKeeperMark Jun. 17 2004, 04:55 AM
Well then i am out of idea's
Posted by: frinkyman Jun. 17 2004, 12:34 PM
Is there a show going on, peeps only head towards towards the stands if there is a show about to happen. Did you set the price higher than the preset one? Did you accidentally put a fence across the entrances to the stands? Let me know, we can figure this out.
Posted by: Silme Jun. 17 2004, 12:51 PM
I didn't change the price and didn't put a fence there.
Posted by: frinkyman Jun. 17 2004, 12:52 PM
are there shows going on? if so in the one space that is inbetween the tank and stands did you put a path?
Posted by: Firehawke Jun. 17 2004, 08:59 PM
This is really strange! Could you please post a screenshot so that we can see how things look?
Posted by: frinkyman Jun. 17 2004, 09:16 PM
Good thinking firehawke
Posted by: Silme Jun. 18 2004, 08:36 AM
Sorry I played and saw this on my cousin's computer and I haven't met with him since then.
Posted by: frinkyman Jun. 18 2004, 09:24 AM
It's ok slime, when you get a chance post a pic and we will help you out.
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