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Zoo Admin Extras => Polls => Non Zoo Tycoon Polls => Topic started by: Springfield Elephant on March 01, 2006, 07:40:44 PM
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I personnally dont support PETA. I think they claim false ads. Such as saying that zoos are animal prisons.
This topic is to be a civilized conversation. Not an argument! I started this to see how many PETA supporters are on this site, so please be respective of others and be civilized. Tahnk you.
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NO!! is a slight understatement. (for me)
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Well I voted no because generally I don't like them. I agree with their main principles, treat animals with respect and kindness. Basically something I do since I am a vegitarian etc... Eventhough they have a goal and basis I agree with, I do not like them as an organisation. They do not have the right approach, they are mean, and just not right. I think zoos can be ok as long as the animals have appropriate exhibits and so on...
I MUCH prefer groups like the WWF who aren't in your face with annoying things. :)
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NONONONO!!!!!
Here's some info
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm)
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There was ad saying to go Vegetarian - I DON'T WANT TO GET RICKETTS!! (and all the other diseases you can catch from vegetarianism)
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I support them *sometimes*, so I have no answer for your poll. Yes, they often go overboard, but they do have good motives and they have rescued a lot of animals.
Some zoos, such as "roadside zoos" ARE animal prisons. Others have incredible breeding programs, such as ones that help the Giant Pandas.
However I prefer Defends of Wildlife.
EDIT: PETA kills animals?!
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Originally posted by penguinman@Mar 1 2006, 10:15 PM
They do not have the right approach, they are mean, and just not right. I think zoos can be ok as long as the animals have appropriate exhibits and so on...
I MUCH prefer groups like the WWF who aren't in your face with annoying things. :)
I totally agree with you.
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I don't support PETA. I agree with Penguinman.
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From the PETA Kills Animals site:
PETA runs campaigns seemingly calculated to offend religious believers. One entire PETA website is devoted to the claim-despite ample evidence to the contrary-that Jesus Christ was a vegetarian.
As a Christian, that bothers me very much. Jesus assisted in fishing quite a few times; he wouldn't have done that if PETA's claims are true. That's just wrong; making up lies about Jesus so that they can get their point across. :angry
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That is very wrong! I am a christan too and I agree with you.
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Personally, I find them one of the most ridiculous if not the most ridiculous of animal rights protest groups. As a Jew, their comment about eating meat being comparable to the Holocaust disgusts me. However, at least they don't send death threats and plant bombs like their extremist friends.
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:>< They said JESUS was a vegitarian?
I do NOT support them, I'm sorry, but they are just...I don't.
Takins, they said that?
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Originally posted by Takins@Mar 2 2006, 03:10 PM
Personally, I find them one of the most ridiculous if not the most ridiculous of animal rights protest groups. As a Jew, their comment about eating meat being comparable to the Holocaust disgusts me. However, at least they don't send death threats and plant bombs like their extremist friends.
Yeah, the Holocaust was a HORRIBLE, TERRIBLE thing and was all because of prejudice. We don't eat meat because we're cruel, we eat meat because we're hungry.
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I support them most of the time, but I will admit, sometimes PETA's obsession can get in the way of better judgement. I am a vegetarian and quite proud of the fact that I have improved my overall health by doing so. Learning about some of the horrible things that people have done for thrill or cash, I myself am quite embarrased to be human.
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I am a vegitarian, but its not because I am worried about the rights of animals. I just never really felt like trying meat(although I do like pepperoni but that isn't all meat I think there is a lot of wax in it). PETA goes overboard a lot. God said after the flood that we should eat meat. I think its great that they try to get animals adopted, but it would be better if they had fundrasers for pounds and stuff. The pound in my town is really small and could really use donations. My famliy gives them extra pet food that we have. Sometimes I will set up a lemonade stand and give them all the money. PETA really needs to calm down. God gave us the animals to use and to have domion over not to have as equals. They are animals. I really love animals, but I think PETA is a little to much. I voted No.(obivously)
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Personally, I don't ssupport them, but I put lower case no becuase I know someone in PETA, whose a real nice person. Vegetarian, though. She does actually support zoos though, and (I believe) volenteers at one :mellow
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Originally posted by Ooot@Mar 2 2006, 04:13 PM
Personally, I don't ssupport them, but I put lower case no becuase I know someone in PETA, whose a real nice person. Vegetarian, though. She does actually support zoos though, and (I believe) volenteers at one :mellow
Im not saying that PETA is made of bad people, i just think that their organization is bad and how they go about their goals. I much more support the WWF, and PETA attacked my local zoo, wich i dont like.
Also i dont like this product they are making. Its reffering to Mr. Vice Presedent Cheney and his hunting insedent, by the way. click here (http://www.cafepress.com/petastore.47894337)
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I don't actually know anything about them. I voted no anyways though. From what I've seen other people say, They have the right principles, just not the right attitude. I agree that zoos aren't the best places for animals. I would much rather see a giant panda roaming through bamboo forests and a herd of wildebeest running across the plains. But in today's world, zoos are the safest places for endangered species. I mean, many of today's species may not be where they are because of zoos like the Sandiego Wildlife Park.
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Also, just a few reasons why i dont support them, my theatre teacher has friends in Kansas City were they chose to wear fur coats to a fancy gala. This is their choose to wear fur, i think its wrong, but i would never throw synthetic blood on them. Thats right, some PETA employees threw red water on those people in KC. I think that is WRONG!
They also say animals are not ours to eat, but as a christian, they are. I dont think we should eat wild animals, nesisaraly, but farm animals i do. And i hardly see how zoos are a part of the entertainment venue.
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No, I don't support them. I can understand trying to help animals, but they take some thing overboard and there's lots of other ways they could help.
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After reading all these comments and clicking on the links, I should have changed my vote from no to NO!! I don't know if it's true or not, but this video I saw from PETA showed something like you shouldn't drink milk because of unfair treatment of cows (if they did take time to go to some farms, the milk cows are treated better than they would ever think). They're not getting their message across. They are only digusting people and putting up false information of things that they want people to believe.
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I support the idea of protecting animals but I think PETA goes over board with their animal rights.
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Yes, we do have dominion over animals. However the infamous verse in Genesis "fill the Earth and subdue it" is often twisted.
We are supposed to reflect the character of God, and this includes how we treat the creatures we have dominion over. Abusing them (such as using them in bullfights) simply does not reflect the character of God. Using them to find cures for diseases, thus saving the most precious of God's creation (humans, like it or not PETA), is not a sin. However I am strongly against using them to test unnecessary cosmetic products, such as make-up, which does nothing for humanity except satisfy our *general* desire for beauty (not all of us care about make-up).
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I agree with you, brownwolf 100%! I also agree with you on the make-up thing. We do not really need it. Heck, I don't even wear make-up. I hate make-up!
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Yes, we do have dominion over animals. However the infamous verse in Genesis "fill the Earth and subdue it" is often twisted.
We are supposed to reflect the character of God, and this includes how we treat the creatures we have dominion over. Abusing them (such as using them in bullfights) simply does not reflect the character of God. Using them to find cures for diseases, thus saving the most precious of God's creation (humans, like it or not PETA), is not a sin. However I am strongly against using them to test unnecessary cosmetic products, such as make-up, which does nothing for humanity except satisfy our *general* desire for beauty (not all of us care about make-up).
Absolutely right! We're not just supposed to subdue it (control it) we're supposed to take care of it. Also, the Hebrew word for "subdue" also means "study". So God is also telling us to study His works.
I do agree with them about taking care of animals, they do need our help because we didn't follow Gods command. But they shouldn't go psycho on people that don't share their extreme beliefs. Something some PETA people did to a member of my family is nearly unforgiveable. They wanted to set his dog free because he was taking a few minutes to eat inside a restaurant with his family. The windows were halfway down so she could get fresh air but not run into the highway. But PETA members came by and opened a car door and stuck a note in his windshield wiper that told him his dog could've died of heat exhaustion! Luckily for Crystal (the dog's name) she was smarter then those guys that opened the door. When they came out of the restaurant they saw the door wide open and Crystal sitting far away from it.
And a friend of mine spreads those "cow hurter" rumors, but never gives any information as to where they had to go or who went. Any farm that I ever volunteered at treated their cows with more respect then you'd think a cow should get :wtg ! She even showed me pictures of mutilated cows as I was eating a cheeseburger :>< :sick !
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Hurrah for Crystal! :wtg
I voted NO!
I think that zoo's do take good care of animals (except for those on the streets and the one in Madagascar the movie...[all concrete!])
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i vote no. they go to overoard. and if they want to make true statements ,you don't have to involve religous people like jesus. Zoos house sick,injured or endangered species that need help and have less chances in surviving in the wild.they rellease them when they are better! Zoos aren't prisions! I do not support them
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I voted NO!! They seem like pshyopaths who force the incorrect beliefs on people.
do agree with them about taking care of animals, they do need our help because we didn't follow Gods command. But they shouldn't go psycho on people that don't share their extreme beliefs. Something some PETA people did to a member of my family is nearly unforgiveable. They wanted to set his dog free because he was taking a few minutes to eat inside a restaurant with his family. The windows were halfway down so she could get fresh air but not run into the highway. But PETA members came by and opened a car door and stuck a note in his windshield wiper that told him his dog could've died of heat exhaustion! Luckily for Crystal (the dog's name) she was smarter then those guys that opened the door. When they came out of the restaurant they saw the door wide open and Crystal sitting far away from it.
The broke into that families car? That's a crime almost EVERYWHERE! Also, how could she die of heat exaustion if the window was open enough for fresh air?
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Originally posted by brownwolf@Mar 3 2006, 10:49 AM
Yes, we do have dominion over animals. However the infamous verse in Genesis "fill the Earth and subdue it" is often twisted.
We are supposed to reflect the character of God, and this includes how we treat the creatures we have dominion over. Abusing them (such as using them in bullfights) simply does not reflect the character of God. Using them to find cures for diseases, thus saving the most precious of God's creation (humans, like it or not PETA), is not a sin. However I am strongly against using them to test unnecessary cosmetic products, such as make-up, which does nothing for humanity except satisfy our *general* desire for beauty (not all of us care about make-up).
Agreed, Brownwolf.
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I voted No as well. But everyone has their beliefs. If I were a PETA member, I would stand for 'People Eating Tasty Animals'! :hehe
Here in the states, we have so many groups protecting wildlife and everyonce in awhile, one will get way too crazy. One group in particular was against logging in the Northwest area of the USA. They decided to burn the logging equipment, buildings, and tool sheds to prevent this from happening. Of course it spread into a wildfire that burned thousands of acres of the same forests they were trying to protect. Now that was DUMB!
And when a PETA member throws paint on someones fur coat to make a point that is also stupid. The person wearing the coat will have insurance, and will go and buy another coat because they can. So now more little creatures were destroyed to make a point.
The best way to get your point across in a positive manor, is to practice what you preach! This method is more contagious. By doing so, you are simply following a belief, and will get more attention from others because you are being postive about your belief. Humans are attracted to postive energy. Negative energy generates negativity, and will most likely generate more of a protest.
This is called fear, and fear stems from ignorance! Teach people by letting the see the difference.
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I voted NO too. While I believe that probably when the organization started it has good intentions, and that a lot of the people who DO support it have good intentions, I think the organization as it is now is really too radical or corrupt to do much good. Obviously, from all the information you've all put here it's actually actively doing harm in many cases. It's a shame, actually.
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I do agree with them about taking care of animals, they do need our help because we didn't follow Gods command. But they shouldn't go psycho on people that don't share their extreme beliefs. Something some PETA people did to a member of my family is nearly unforgiveable. They wanted to set his dog free because he was taking a few minutes to eat inside a restaurant with his family. The windows were halfway down so she could get fresh air but not run into the highway. But PETA members came by and opened a car door and stuck a note in his windshield wiper that told him his dog could've died of heat exhaustion! Luckily for Crystal (the dog's name) she was smarter then those guys that opened the door. When they came out of the restaurant they saw the door wide open and Crystal sitting far away from it.
That's insane. The dog could have run off and gotten killed. What are they thinking???
If I saw a dog suffering from heat exhaustion in a car (not saying Crystal was), I would simply go into the building and have them announce that (insert car's liscence plate)'s dog was suffering from heat exhaustion. You don't break into someone's car.
A friend of mine (PETA member) wanted to steal my neighbor's dog because he was never allowed in the house and was tied up out back. I think it's only right to steal a dog if the animal control in your area kills dogs that they "rescue" (mine does), and the animal is suffering so much that its life is in danger. I would go over there and play with him sometimes to keep him company. When he died, his owners told me that he was part wolf, and then I felt really bad because wolfdogs aren't supposed to be kept on chains. :sad A lot of times, he'd just sit there, howling. :sad
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I just thought, what do PETA members think of the 4H fair? :whistle
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Hey, I've heard of the ''People Eating Tasty Animals' thing on myspace! That's lol! :hehe
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Nope, I've never understood the whole animal rights argument. :P
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A friend of mine (PETA member) wanted to steal my neighbor's dog because he was never allowed in the house and was tied up out back. I think it's only right to steal a dog if the animal control in your area kills dogs that they "rescue" (mine does), and the animal is suffering so much that its life is in danger. I would go over there and play with him sometimes to keep him company. When he died, his owners told me that he was part wolf, and then I felt really bad because wolfdogs aren't supposed to be kept on chains. A lot of times, he'd just sit there, howling.
You're right, unless a situation calls for an immediate action like that (like if someone is flinging darts at a dog) no one has the right to do steal a dog from someone. That dog does belong to them, and the only thing you can do for the dog is usually to just alert someone who is supposed to handle that stuff legally. Of course if they are just going to go and put it down that kinda messes up the situation a bit, I guess that is where judgement calls come in.
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I think that PETA should leave the job to the professionals, The American Humane Society or the World Wildlife Federation. They are not saving the world, they are making it worse than we ever did (ex: the fires that burned down the lumber yard that burned down the forest they were trying to save).
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I have a relative whom is senior council for the Humane Society, and he agrees that PETA are extremists in certain ways, and that they should leave it to those who can take the right form of action.
Also, I was passed a PETA "kids" card in school by a student, and on the card there was a graphic picture of a child falling over while holding a paper saying "2+2=6" [or something of the sort], with a large "F", in his other hand he was holding a carton labeled "Fish Sticks". He was named "Dumb Dave", and on the back of the card there was nonsense about how every bite of fish you eat, you become more stupid, and that if you eat any sort of fish, your grades will drop and you will get lead poisoning. That's just plain lying, how can anyone try and corrupt the youth like that?
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That's a bunch of nonsense. Eating fish can make you smarter and lessens your risk of getting Alzheimer's disease. They are brainwashing the youth to make them think everything their parents ever taught them is bad and they should listen to PETA.
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Nope, I've never understood the whole animal rights argument.
I don't really understand it either; I just try my best (and I fail a lot) to do what Jesus would do, and Jesus wouldn't kill an animal for the pleasure of it.
I have a relative whom is senior council for the Humane Society, and he agrees that PETA are extremists in certain ways, and that they should leave it to those who can take the right form of action.
Yes, the Humane Society is definitely a lot better than PETA. They're not out to preach what they think is right; they're out to rescue animals from bad situations. The only times they ever go "overboard" is when they take away an animal that isn't really in danger, but that's the worst they do.
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While I do think fur and skins shouldn't be encouraged (particularly cat skins like the ones Bobby Trendy uses), I think that PETA is a ridiculuos organization, and the people are really not clear as to what they actually want. I prefer serious organizations, PETA makes people think that animal's rights is a rather ridiculous joke - they do !
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I love and respect and ever defend any animal i see, but PETA is just to extremist. What curious they defend animals (they really dont defend animals all the things they do only harm more an animal ) but they violate others people security. Im cristian and in the bible says we must protect the animals but also respect other people whatever they do and the things PETA does harm people.
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Originally posted by creationfan@Mar 3 2006, 11:30 PM
You're right, unless a situation calls for an immediate action like that (like if someone is flinging darts at a dog) no one has the right to do steal a dog from someone. That dog does belong to them, and the only thing you can do for the dog is usually to just alert someone who is supposed to handle that stuff legally. Of course if they are just going to go and put it down that kinda messes up the situation a bit, I guess that is where judgement calls come in.
True, but a dog is a living animal with feelings - the owners should not keep a dog if they can't keep it properly. What if they beat the dog, or keep it locked up without food and water ? I feel that the owners should be given a warning at the beginning, but the animals of repeat offenders should be conficated and rehoused.
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I agree with Crookshankz227.
Yes, people should be allowed to raise an animal how they want to raise it, but only if they aren't cruel. Also, a dog that's abused will usually become extremely aggressive and is a threat to society. We really have to crack down on animal abusers.
I'm a Christian too, and while I do know that God gave us dominion over animals, they still belong to Him and I will not stand by while our dominion is abused.
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I have to say that i'm not such a huge fan of animal rights in general. I am in favor of conservation and environmental protection because that affects all human life. But things like minks raised for fur or animals raised for meat do not have rights. They are raised as a resource and the more cattle you've got the more mouths you can feed. As a human being i'm appaled that anyone would choose to give a cow more food than a starving person. I think that people should and will always come before animals. I also apply this to pets. I mean, someone shouldn't go to jail because their to poor to take care of a dog. And i don't belive that they can just give it to a pound either. For one thing despite the treatment there probably are some emotional connections to the animal and pounds are incredably overcrouded anyway. Most dogs just end up being killed or dying in poor overcrowded conditions anyway. If you want dogs and cats to escape maltreatment, stop breeding them in such numbers, particularly breeders. As such i find that PETA's disgushting tactics work against them. My father works in Biotech and his and other companies are in constant fear of being attack for animal testing, a nessacary part of the drug making process. Their comparisons of the meat industry to **** Germany and the Holocaust make me feel sick, in fact their racist in a way by comparing Jews to animals. These are just my opinions, which i think are not often expressed on this site as much as they are in real life.
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:idea There should be a NEVER!!!!!! option, until then i'm not voting. ;)
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Also,there sshould be a ' Yes,and No' option.Until thn,I'm not vooting either. ;)
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Or a "sometimes" option...
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NO! stands for never & VERY anti-PETA, no stands for very rarely, yes stands for occaisionally and YES! stands for all the time, I think.
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I found something about PETA abuseing chickens and also bulfighting!! :(
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I voted "no" then. Thanks CS. :)
I found something about PETA abuseing chickens and also bulfighting!!
Hmm...was it on an anti-PETA site? If it was, they might just be saying that. I'm not sure.
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Originally posted by MaddPilot@Mar 4 2006, 08:51 AM
I have a relative whom is senior council for the Humane Society, and he agrees that PETA are extremists in certain ways, and that they should leave it to those who can take the right form of action.
Also, I was passed a PETA "kids" card in school by a student, and on the card there was a graphic picture of a child falling over while holding a paper saying "2+2=6" [or something of the sort], with a large "F", in his other hand he was holding a carton labeled "Fish Sticks". He was named "Dumb Dave", and on the back of the card there was nonsense about how every bite of fish you eat, you become more stupid, and that if you eat any sort of fish, your grades will drop and you will get lead poisoning. That's just plain lying, how can anyone try and corrupt the youth like that?
actually thats true, im not saying they didnt stretch the truth OHH man did they stretch the truth, but in FPS (Future Problem Solvers) we did a segment on the mercury level in a fishes body, and how pregnant women should not eat alot of tuna, but fish in general is harmless
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Hmm...was it on an anti-PETA site? If it was, they might just be saying that. I'm not sure.
True, there is probably the same amount of mud throwing and lying on both sides of the PETA debate.
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No!! To peta!!I know a big cat rescue ( who takes care of more aniamls other than cats ) Peta said they should close down!! Down with Peta is what I say down with the Peta!! :angry They make me want to go down there a bring oh let me think 1,000,000 Soldiders!They are also going asganist good zoos like Fort worth zoo and San Deigo zoo!! :angry :angry
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I myself voted no.
Understand that I and anyone can post anything they wish if they make their own webpage or on a webpage.
So, don't believe 90% of what you read on the internet kids. ;)
If you want to know real facts, go to the source. If you knock on the door of a PETA office, tell them you have questions and they shut the door on you.....ummm, well, they have something to hide and I would not support them.
There are many wonderful organizations out there that will give, even their fiscal year in writing (because they have nothing to hide), that do wonderful and great things to help our animals and wildlife.
I feel that the way they approach it and the way thier monies are handled is always what is of my concern when I support an organization.
So, I research and investigate organizations I am interested in myself.
I am a firm beleiver that charity always starts at home. If you can not feed your starving, home your homeless, help your stray animals on a local level, how could think of trying on a greater scale if the first step can not be reached?
Just food from my thoughts for ya!
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I don't like them! Killing and throwing millions of kittin and puppys in garbage cans. I wish someone shuts em down. And throwing lies into peoples faces. Comparing Black slaves to pets its there new compaign. Going against zoos. People can't eat fish it all makes retarted beacause it has mecury in it! What most are bred in farms. And if you fish just don't go to lakes with factorys poluting the water. Anyway its not true look at Eagles thier not stupid and they eat fish. And telling kids to stop drinking milk! Because its cruel. Without milking them they get milkpiosening kill the calf and her. I just want someone to stop the beating of animals. Not stop everything. They are against pets. Saying the good start is to take pet out of the dictionary or say let all you pets loose! Yorkies can't survive out in the wild! Anyway I think they hate people and pets. And I don't like most if what they beileve. I hope none of you gonna hate me now. Please I need to know if i'm the only one.
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Well, I don't quite get most of what you're saying, but if you haven't noticed, most of us aren't fans of PETA either. :lol
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I love animals, I believe they have rights and are not to be exploited, I am vegetarian myself, and I can occasionally become sligthly fanatic with issues to do with conserving wildlife,
But support PETA? - No. Plain and simple.
My Reason - I think PETA's values are right, but it is a failure as an organisation. PETA has their priorities wrong. Vegetarianism shouldn't come first. Protecting wildlife from poachers should coem first. Stopping the pet trade in illegal species should come first. Both of these issues are almost completely neglected by PETA.
On the zoo front, I think PETA's got their facts wrong again. I am a big fan of the San Deigo, Singapore and Johannesbrug Zoos, but the one zoo I really respect is the UWEC, or Ugandan Wildlife Education Center. It has only African animals, and not a single Elephant, leopard, hippo, giraffe or zebra, but all the animals there were either given homes better than their previous ones, or rescued, or bred in captivity. The carnivores and dangerous herbivores like buffalo and bushpig have GIGANTIC exhibits. The herbivores like Vervet Monkeys, antelope and Ankola Cattle move freely around the zoo, separated from the guests by a knee-high mud barrier. And it's thanks to the UWEC that a segment of the rainforest nearby was prtected, where De Brazza Monkey, Serval, Hornbills and Colobos Monkey live.
Lots of zoos have breeding programs, lots of them educate the public, zoos are tools for conservation.
I might be vegetarian, but I dont go around beating people up to stop eating meat. I LOVE milk and dont see how it harms the cattle.
Also, on the dogs and cats front, WHAT does PETA plan to do with all the dogs? I mean, they don't want them running around the streets, but they dont want them in caring homes either! You can't possibly finish an entire worldwide population of dogs by sterilizing them- PETA would have to KILL dogs to get rid of them. What would you want if you were a dog - A loving home with food, shelter and enjoyment, or DEATH!
There are 3 PETA India campaigns, however, which I strongly support.
1) Anti-Circus Campaign - Circuses should NEVER have animals perfroming. It isn't entertainment. It's torture. An undercover investigation proved that the elephants standing on their hind legs are trained using electric shockers on their feet, and big cats jump through hoops after being starved for days. Many seals and dogs recently died in the Russian Circus at Bombay.
2) Anti-Mumbai Zoo - The local zoo at Mumbai is what you'd call the real Prison. The animals live in cramped, unhygenic conditions, with inadequate food and water, illnessess rampant, shelters few and no enrichment for the animals. The last time I visited it was four years ago, but it hasn't changed much. The crocodiles used to walk around hopelessly searching for water to escape the heat of the sun while they lived in a temporary ditch as their exhibit was renovated. The peafowl are cramped in one concrete-type exhibit. The elephants were once held steady by iron weights tied to their legs, until they were recently given a slightly better exhibit. The most recent disaster took place with eleven Blackbuck, an endangered species, dying, though the reason is still unkown. There is enough evidence to declare that due to bad fencing, dogs entered tehir exhibit, chased them around causing them to panic, and led to them facing severe shock and injuries. Some gazelles also died and were injured due to construction taking place alongside their exhibit, allowing them no privacy and too much noise-caused stress. The monkeys are tormented as people tease them.
3) Anti-Madari - Madari is the Indian word for a person who captures a bear or monkey, attaches a hook thorugh its nose, forces it to walk on bruning tar roads, tugs the hook to make it howl and leap in pain, which people call 'singing' and 'dancing'. This is a cruel torture and PETA has relocated many if the animals faced by this.
So, since I support 3 of their many campaigns, I'll give it a No. But I much prefer organisations like WWF and other Wildlife Conservation orgs, plus SPCA also.
africanwilddog, while I neither agree nor disagree with your comments, please don't post such long comments. The MODs and Admins have to read every SINGLE post on the Forums, and really long ones are hard for us. Thanks.
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i never liked PETA while they may think teyre helping the animals theyd be hurting them more by getting rid of zoos becaus many zoos take in animals that are hurt and couldnt like in the wild and nurse them back to health and release them plus if you have seen the show Ultimate zoo on animal planet they showw how many zoos are making exhibit enviorments that resembly that of there home like when the zoo made the exhibits interchangable with the tiger malaysian tapir and the orangutan which stimulates there natural behavior by having the oragutan and tapir looking out for the tiger because of the smell and the tiger looking for prey, smell also.
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Originally posted by africanwilddog@Apr 14 2006, 12:02 PM
I might be vegetarian, but I dont go around beating people up to stop eating meat. I LOVE milk and dont see how it harms the cattle.
Cattle kept for milking aren't exactly treated too well, in India there aren't big fields, so they are tied up in cowsheds. They often have to lie down in their own excrement - it gets pretty bad. Then there's the problem of what to do with an infertile cow/cow which is too old to give milk - they are generally destroyed/set loose.
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Here is the key to clear up any, um...speculation, i guess is the word. (?)
NO!-Absolutly not! or NEVER!
no-Not really, but sometimes. Or, some goals of theirs, but not all.
yes-For the most part, I have some dissagreements.
YES!- I agree with them 90-100%
Thats to help anyone who didnt know the guide to the answers! :happy
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PETA is rediculus, they would probley try to shut down a zoo near me because the tigers have a wooden climbing frame, and they might get splinters! They sould conentrate on more importent isusses like indias vulture crisis, poching, ciruses and others. Also they are rasist comparing animals to jewish people and twisting the word of the bible. Im no religios but messing with someones belifs is wrong. There is enougth evidence to take PETA to court, with all the thief, vandlisam, arson, genarl harrassment.
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They only thing i agree with peta is the anti-fur i voted no! but i saw a program last night about anti fur campagins and they were in it but i don't agree with the whole zoo thing
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What is more is that PETA and others dont even do any good, infact they can do alot of damage. Take american mink now they are all over briten causeing havock. Across eurpoe there are racoons and raccon dogs all relesed from the fur trade and all damageing the enviroment.
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Thay also said "Don't kill possoms for their fur" well now thay are eating most of the trees in New Zealand :angry !
Also thay want to ban walleye fishing in Minnosota one of the most common fish here!
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I think for the most part, the reason PETA is so IN YOUR FACE is because it gets people talking. The more people that get talking about PETA, the more widespread their name becomes. They are betting on the fact that someone is going to say something bad about them, and then the person they are talking to is going to say, "Really? I'm going to look into that." Now, they have someone at their website, who, hopefully, will want to "learn more". So they ask for a PETA DVD on vegetarianism...and when they watch it, they are so grossed out, they don't eat meat for a week. Then after that period, maybe this person says, "well hey, that week without meat wasn't so bad. I feel much more energetic, less tired, more alive! I think I'll be a vegetarian!" And now, in some screwed up, weird way, PETA has succeeded in turning one person away from eating meat. Does it always work? No. But the fact that it works SOMETIMES keeps them going at it from a different direction.
I agree with PETA on the animal testing, fur, and I do not think that the meat industry should be able to treat animals the way they do to make a profit. I do not always agree with their methods, nor do I think that every single thing they are against is really that big of an issue. I do not, however, believe that most of what they say is false. PETA constantly has to work with large corporations and businesses to get donations, etc. IF they were throwing about lies, they would lose credibility, and they would also lose their sponsors. Most of them sound like lies because it doesn't seem like they COULD be real. It's sad that a lot of them are.
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I'm controversial really. It depends on the conditions.
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This site is linked to PETA and they are complaining about san diago zoo Breeding elephants I did a search of PETAs site and there was nothing at all about Japanese dolphin drive hunts. If you dont know what they are let me explain, first the whalers get in boats and bang metal poles in the water to confuse the dolphins sonar and drive them into a bay. The the whalers get in the shallow water and start clubing the dolphins to death, the best animals are keep alive and sent to bad marine parks. I would have thought that a site about helping animals would have some informtion about that. I dont think they care at all about indias vultures and how they are being poisened by cattle drugs. Yet they still preach to use that its cruel to milk cows and shear sheep:blink:
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Wow. PETA IS screwed up.
Well, it makes me feel all the better donating 20% of my cash to WWF each year...
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I really don't think they care about an animal's welfare or life. They even tried to stop the San Diego Zoo from taking in some elephants that were offered to be sent to a zoo instead of being culled by the government. The elephants would've died if no one offered to take them in. The San Diego Zoo has one of the best exhibit and care for the elephants, but PETA and another animal rights group called Born Free, which claims to be a conservation group, made it clear they would rather see the elephants dead than in captivity. In another case, a couple of good Australian zoos offered to take in some Asian elephants who were living rough lives with their owner who had trouble getting enough money to feed him and his elephants. I don't know if PETA was involved or not, but a group of animal rights actvists prevented the move and lied about the care elephants get in zoos while ignoring the real cruelty that "ex-logger" elephants have to face to survive. Some are trained to perform using cruel methods, as the owner knows no other way to train them, some even have to eat garbage if the owner can't afford hay:crying:. They could go to a "conservation camp", but they are under-funded and the staff is poorly trained and it is overcrowded. Many elephants have died in these camps. Zoos are trying to provide funds to them and send people out to train the staff, but if they go out of buisness or PETA and other animal rights groups zaps their funds, these camps won't be improved, as well as other conservation groups they fund might go bankrupt. If you ask me, PETA is inconsiderate of what animals truly need. In fact, by killing off thousands of dogs and cats, PETA broke animal welfare laws in America while most zoos and even circuses that are also in America don't. (I know Europe and Australia have good zoos, too, but I have heard of cruel circuses in some parts of Europe, and I don't know about any circuses in Australia.)
And Lamna, I agree on that. They tell "horror stories" of zoos and farming and other uses of captive animals, but they do nothing to stop the killing of wild animals, and they just won't admit that for every animal that dies in a zoo, many more die from either man-made or natural causes.
UPDATE ON ASIAN ELEPHANTS: The elephants are on their way to the airport, but the activists won't let them continue. Now the elephants are stuck in the truck and the activists are agitating them:angry:. They even said that the elephants would be better off in the "conservation camps" than in the zoos. I hope they aren't successful. Someone really needs to do something about this:crying:.
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I voted NO! I'm not only bugged by the fact that they say zoos are completely horrible, they give false info to children to get them to become vegan, and they often resort to violent activities in protest, some are so bad infact I think they could be considered riots.:ermm:.But On top of that there website is horrible they show extremely violent and graffic footage (a fact I wish I hadn't found out) and put no warning on it at all:crying: :sick:, and they have famous people indorse their campaignes (and I'll bet a good percent of there donations for the animals go towards that). I say if anyone should be boycotted then boycott PETA!!:angry:
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Yes, looking closer PETA has done some terrible things.... For me I still agree with the principle that animals deserve rights, but PETA is very stupid about how they get animals those rights. If they cared more about wild animals and animals being raised for meat I would like them. But targeting zoos who try to help animal species survive? That is just plain dumb :mellow:
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I agree that animals have rights and that alot of the stuff PETA is against is wrong, but they are very radical and often take things way too far. An example being that they think keeping domesticated fish an birds is cruel because they must be kept in tanks and cages. I don't think animals caught from the wild should be kept as pets, but I see no problem with keeping domesticated birds and fish as long as they are well cared for.
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I dont know if any one would be interested in this site, but i found a site that is anti-PETA. This site is what sparked me to start this poll.Here (http://petakillsanimals.com/)
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There stoping the poor elephants at the airport!!! Lucky elephants are good travelers. If they were giraffes then half of them would of died of heart attack. They better move soon!!! Now were did i leave my P 90....
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Still on the elephant topic, did you know that when PeTA was protesting at an elephant exhibit as, the elephants got so scared that oe killed another elphant?
Also, PeTA killed 90% of the pets they took into their "shelter". Most of those were healthy, adoptable dogs and cats. They even steal dogs from backyards!
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Lol i saw this wired, wife swap show on tv and there was this peta woman on it, it was funny she spent ages just looking at the sun for food...:ermm: One of the elephants died! Thats it forget the law, eye for a eye and a tooth for a tusk. There going down!
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My cousin joined PETA because he thought it would look good on his resume XD.
i voted no because of several things
1.God put animals on this earth for us to have company and food
2.PETA blows things way out of proportian
3.While PETA is right about circuses *poor animal treatment AND clowns :sick: * zoos help animals who are sick,injured and endangered
I would join Earl's PETA group!!!
People Eating Tasty Animals XD
Plus if Jesus was a vegitarian.... then he would have fed the 5000 tofu and Bread loaves XD
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Wow, as of now there's exactly 100 votes. I don't see that too often. Exactly 85% voted against PETA and 15% voted for it.:original:
Lol i saw this wired, wife swap show on tv and there was this peta woman on it, it was funny she spent ages just looking at the sun for food...
I saw something like that once on that show. One woman got upset because the other had been keeping her dogs outside, she freaked out and said that the dogs couldn't stay outside because they were adopted :sign_ques . Reminds me of how some animal rights activists want animal owners to become their pet's legal guardians instead of their owners :blink: .
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Null my vote please!
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Yah that's an episode of wife swap. I think she meant about the dogs is that since they where adopted they might think she was abandoning them by leaving them outside (I still thinks it's weird though). I also think comparing victims of the holocast to animals is wrong! They have no right to do that. Another thing how can they preace about the how horrible animals shelters are with putting animals to sleep and then themselves kill 90% of all their animals?
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PETA went against wolves and made a stupid claim in 2000.
Here is the article: http://unquietmind.com/petawolf.html
I don't think they are still going with it, but it justs shows stupidity
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Ha ha ha ha, yeah lets all blame the sun for shining as well. I figured what it stands for
People Euthanasing treatable animals.
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PETA went against wolves and made a stupid claim in 2000.
Here is the article: http://unquietmind.com/petawolf.html
I don't think they are still going with it, but it justs shows stupidity
Funny, but I think it was meant more as satire than a representation of PETA's actual views. Although I wouldn't put it past some of them to only feel for the warm and fuzzies of the animal kingdom, a lot of people do these days.:rolleyes:
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I haven't read the article in a while but one of the coulumnists in Sports Illistrated got some fun out of PETA for a billboard that they ran on fishing that featured a dog with a fishing hook in his mouth. here are some more memorable phrases. "PETA asks why do why throw frisbees to one animal and barbed hooks to another` this got the reply` because fish suck at catching frisbees" and "PETA sys fishing is inhumane, I say pass the Tarter sauce":laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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It's a satire, highlighting the inconsistency of PETA's stance that animals are humans and that we shouldn't kill them, yet not explaining what we should do to animals that kill other animals, or even humans. :wacko: 'Death penalty'? 'Life imprisonment'?!
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So fare peta have offended, christians, jews, anglers, pet owners, hunters, zoo goers and workers, farmers,inuit, macdonlds, kfc, most of mordern medicine.. the lists goes on and on.
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I voted no. I don't agree with their anti-zoos plus they have NOTHING about horse slaughter! I have researched it and it is horrifying, but I'm not vegitarian because I could not eat anything else (I'm practicly a carnivoir) But, I do agree with anti circuses. From what I've heard I do not want to go to a circus.I am also against make-up testing on animals I hate make up and will never wear it (Except chapstick when I need it) Also I love my pets and could not EVER neglect them or be cruel to them. I am against poaching and I don't like hunting but I'm not against it, where I live hunting deer is the only way we can keep the population down. (Seeing as we have very few predatory animals) That is all I have to say, or I might just get onto the animal cruelty issue and blow up (I have a bad temper)
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PETA has nothing on its sight about shark fining. Surely haing you fins cut of and throwing in the ocean alive is worse thant haveing your mouth peirced?
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I agree with Lamna, PETA has their priorities wrong. They go against primates in zoos where even conservationists with much more knowledge of animal rights say the animals are happy, but they have no campaigns against bushmeat hunting! They go agianst angling, but don;t seem to car about sharks dying. They campaign against sheep farming in China, but they don't even mention the pathetic conditions Malayan sun bears live and die in for their gall bladders and meat. They go against eating sheep, goats and cows, but they seemingly and definitely IGNORE eating chimpanzees, bears and antelope!
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PETA's campains hurt both people and animals:angry:. If they take some animals out of labs, not only will people continue to die from diseases that could have been treated, but what will happen to the animals? If they aren't sent to any sanctuaries, then they will be euthinized or released immediatly into the wild, where they will either die or cause enviormental problems. They support eco-terrorism and some big members of PETA were either once in an animal liberation-terrorist group, like Animal Liberation Front or Sea Shepherd Society,(I think that's what it's called:pinch:.) One of them even founded his(or her) own terrorist group: Stop Huntington Animal Cruelty. The Sea Shepherd Society has killed a lot of innocent fishermen and one eco-terrorist group burned down a part of a science university or lab where they were trying to find humane ways to care for fur farm animals. They bragged about burning down thirty-something years work and saving only two mink, out of all the mink that could've been in there:crying:. One time the Humane Society of the United States, (probably working with PETA, too,) banned "pregnancy pens" inside meat houses in Florida. The pregnant pigs could now at least move around, but the factories had to butcher more pigs than usual so the factory wouldn't become way too overcrowded. PETA isn't saving animal lives, they're destroying them! I admit that animals in meat factories and labs must endure at least some cruelty, but this calls for reform, not liberation. A woman named Temple Grandin has made cattle lives' better by going to the meat factories and discussing reform, not protesting and asking to get rid of the animals.
another woman, who is a vet, is improving the lives of sled dogs by talking with the owners about dog behaviour and mentality. What does PETA do? Support the destruction of these places, exaggerate the cruelty, and show children graphic videos and comic books displaying gory pictures and messages of rebellion.
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If they take some animals out of labs, not only will people continue to die from diseases that could have been treated, but what will happen to the animals?
I think a lot of people don't think about this. Who isn't grateful for the vaccines we have for terrible diseases like polio, which plagued past generations? :wink:
Plus veterinary medicine probably benefits a lot from animal testing as well.
I admit that animals in meat factories and labs must endure at least some cruelty, but this calls for reform, not liberation. A woman named Temple Gradley has made cattle lives' better by going to the meat factories and discussing reform, not protesting and asking to get rid of the animals.
Exactly. Temple Grandin's book Animals in Translation gave excellent examples of how animals raised for food can be given as much kindness as possible by understanding how each specie's mind works and what they need to be comfortable.:cool:
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No!! To peta!!I know a big cat rescue ( who takes care of more aniamls other than cats ) Peta said they should close down!! Down with Peta is what I say down with the Peta!! :angry They make me want to go down there a bring oh let me think 1,000,000 Soldiders!They are also going asganist good zoos like Fort worth zoo and San Deigo zoo!! :angry :angry
Hmm. I've heard PETA say that the only zoo they like is a sanctuary.:ermm: Apparently they don't like sanctuaries either. I don't think they even like the elephant sanctuaries they're trying to send all the zoo elephants to. I'm wondering, were you refering to the Big Cat Sanctuary or another cat sanctuary.
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Honestaly I think PETA is a oraganazation that needs to be brought to reality. In one of their campains they compaired meat chicken slaguter to the Holocaust!:angry: Even though I'm christian some of my friends are Jewish and this made them less then happy. The comparison PETA made is going way to far in my opintion! :pinch:
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Ok now there hiapcrites (I really got to learn to spell) the guy in charges says that he somethins eats regulae vegatarin (milk, eggs etc) when he eats out. There insane, i wonder how many members of peta have acutuly improved animals lives? Ah i have a idea, i wont exarsise for a month and live in a dark cupbord then join PETA and bring then down from the inside. Nah ill just let the govermant deal with it. Im busy with my wildlife sancuray. (Ok it is a pond but its more than PETAs ever done.)
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Ingrid Newkirk, the presedent of PETA, used to work in a shelter before she helped found PETA, and she admitted she would secretly kill innocent dogs and cats when no one was looking!:crying: Quite a few of them weren't even going to be "officially" euthinized by the shelter, put she killed them anyway! I think the government needs to do something about PETA.
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Still nothing about shark finning. Almost drowning (sharks drown in air) haveing you limbs hacked of and thrown awy to die a slow painful death or a hair cut. (They claim the shearing sheep is cruel)
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I really think PETA should be shut down becuse it really seems the poeple of PETA have no sence for what is right for the animals at all! They is evil!
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I concour. It makes no sense to be vegan. From a scintific point of veiw man have been eating meat for millenia and thats is how we developed our big brains. From a religios point of veiw god/gods gave us animals for our use.
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Peta makes animal lives worse. Sending animals like domestic cows horses pigs to the wild is crazy. Animals raised on a farm or in a zoo do not know how to take care of themselves. yes they have natural instinct. but would a zoo lion be able to hunt in a pack? she would probably starve.
And also...being a vegitarian makes no sence they isn't a such. Everything is in a cycle. When you eat veggies and fruit you are eating animals. decomposed animals are what made up the soil for the trees or bushes.
I saw NO!
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I didn't know much about PETA before, but from what I've read here they sound absolutely horrid! :angry: I didn't really support them before, but I definitely won't support them now!
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Still nothing about shark finning. Almost drowning (sharks drown in air) haveing you limbs hacked of and thrown awy to die a slow painful death or a hair cut. (They claim the shearing sheep is cruel)
I agree we should have a long face-to-face talk with the sharks. I suggest we send a bunch of PETA members down right away, and where do they stand with the ants, worms, and termites, they don't thinkabout the little guys And in it's attemps at being kind to all animals has left out especially one nimals ,humans.
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I cant belive the would rather help animals like sheep that dont need our help and ignore cute little sharks that need help. (P.S sharks are cute get used to it.):laughing: Also i think they are trying to stop australian rabbit culls, apparently leting rabbits over populate, wipeing out native fauna and flora and then the rabbits dieing of starvation is better then being shot. I just dont get them, guide dogs are also cruel apparently.
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For Pete's sake, how in the world is having a guide dog crule. Another thing they tried to stop was Three Day Eventing in the horse world. Whenthey saw the foatage that CNN showed and they saw horses falling on a few jummps PETA declaired that the horses were being abussed. I have on thing to say to PETA, those riders almost always put the horse before themselves.
Sorry if I said to much....:paperbag:
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No you say however much you want. These evil people deserve to hear it. :angry:
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For Pete's sake, how in the world is having a guide dog crule. Another thing they tried to stop was Three Day Eventing in the horse world. Whenthey saw the foatage that CNN showed and they saw horses falling on a few jummps PETA declaired that the horses were being abussed. I have on thing to say to PETA, those riders almost always put the horse before themselves.
Sorry if I said to much....:paperbag:
They think an abused horse would risk breaing its leg?! They actually had a guide dog taken away from its owner.
And you won't believe some of the things they tell children! They critisize kids with leukimia and diabetes because their medicine was perfected with animal testing, and they tell the children they shouldn't have gotten the diseases in the first place, which makes kids feel like they are responsible for animal deaths when they aren't. :angry: And they're telling kids that their mom murders animals in order for her to get a fur coat, when all the dirty work is really being done by employees. I don't believe wearing fur is neccesary anymore for most people, so I'm against it. But that still doesn't mean PETA can twist the facts for their own use or even lie. And they're also telling children that the reason they don't see hair on circus elephants is because they burn it all off. (Really? Then who burns the hairs off of wild elephants?) And they're showing graphic videos and pictures of abused elephants that are taken from substandered circuses, as they have a tendancy to ignore those circuses and go after the popular ones, even though they have clean welfare records from when they were inspected by the local welfare groups and the USDA. Some of you may not agree with me about circuses, but please remember that animal rights is so much different from animal welfare.
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Wow, i didn't know this many people shared my thoughts on PETA. I think they go way overboad. They make people feel incredibly bad if they don't do everything they say. I voted NO.
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Pretty much all peta is is some guys opinions and he paid off other people to work for him. If this many people hate them in just this forum imagine how many people worldwide
I can't get over this for some reason
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaTrial.cfm
The site and everything on it are 100% real right?
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Most people here don't support PETA because of what they tell kids and stuff, and I agree with all you people.
But what I hate most about PETA is that
PETA HAS ALL ITS PRIORITIES WRONG!
What I mean is, PETA doesn't know where to interfere and where not to.
Like the whole fur thing. Raccoon Dogs in China are being slaughtered in the thousands. Cruelly slughtered for meat and fir, and the belief is that the more pain the animal feels, the better the meat and the fur. SARS originated in this trade, where the dogs would get the disease and people ate them and got it. Theer are barely any Racoon Dogs left. But where is PETA in this case? PETA should be convincing Chinese kids that this trade is cruel, and should be doing more work to stop the Slaughterhouses that illegally kill these endangered Raccoon Dogs. But WHERE IS PETA???? Fighting for rights for dogs who may trip over a stick in the owner's backyard.
And then the whole Animal Experiment issue. Look, PETA does get their job done by breaking down labs and setting them on fire, but then what happens to the animal? This is a true case, lots of monkeys were rescued from a lab here in India and then hey couldn't be saved because nobody knew which ones had diseases or medicines in them that could harm humans or otehrs. So each of them was quarantined in small cages. PETA was nowhere to help. PETA 'saves' the animals from the labs, but then what? Leave them to die?? Don't provide money? Don't give them good homes? Don;t CARE?
The Meat issue... Though I am vegetarian, eating chickens and goats and other domestic animals is OK in my opinion. As long as the animals are well cared fr before slaughter. But PETA is causing havoc there. Instead, PETA should be causing havoc in the Congo where the chimpanzees and gorillas are dying for teh bushmeat trade. What makes PETA think that sheep are more important than gorillas? Which of the two are on the brink of extinction, huh? Which one? The Gorilla. And which is bred for the sole purpose of rearing and milking etc? The Sheep. So which one should PETA be saving first- the Gorilla obviously, but what is PETA doing? Trying to save the sheep, and ignoring the gorilla completely.
I can think of millions of cases where PETA refarins from getting invloved - right from Shark Killing and Ivory Poaching to the pet Crocodile trade and the killing of snakes as rituals in SE Asia - but PETA really doesn't seem to cae about that. Which is precisely why WWF, WildAid, SPCA, ACAP, etc are so much better organisations. They KNOW what has to be done, and more importatly, they know HOW to go about doing it. PETA on the other hand doesn't.
In fact you start to feel that PETA doesn't want to leave the cities and farms of USA and Europe. You start to feel that PETA just doesn't care about what happens in the Amazon, or Indonesia, or the seas, or the Congo. And you start to feel that PETA ignores more serious wildlife issues - like edangered species - and instead concentrates on futile silly little issues like how much space Cows need.
PETA needs to change its ways soon. Rih now, it's just making some people hate animals even more. Like those parents, they're going to get nasty with PETA teaching their kids to hate them for eating chicken.
Instead PETA should work on bigger, more pressing conservation issues, as I have already said a million times. That's all. If PETA did that, they would transform from a fanatic disorganised riot squad into an efficient passionate organised wildlife conservation organisation with a goal.
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Very well said Africanwilddog. I agree 100%. It would be nice if PETA acually tried to help animals in a way that was positive for the animals and in a way that did not get people into feeling guilty about things like keepping a cow to milk it.
I was just reading an artical written by PETA that says people should not buy cow leather. Sheesh, thats on of the things cows are used for! As long as the cow is slaughtered in a hummane way I don't see what the big seal is about buying leater products.
I found this qoute on a PETA sight:
Over 50 million cows are slaughtered every year to feed your greed for burgers, bags and lipstick. So who's to blame if the cow goes extinct soon: the poacher or you?
They also claim that the cow is going extint.
Uh, I'm done now....:paperbag:
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Well....come to Missouri....they are plentyful here....sheesh
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I know where I live you can drive down the road and see like 20 cows at one plase and then 200 in another.
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I know where I live you can drive down the road and see like 20 cows at one plase and then 200 in another.
Yeah it's almost like cows are taking over the world!!
PETA is even stupider than they always were if they think that cows should all be realeased into the wild, 'cause lots of cows spells disaster. It's a fact. In Semuliki, a game reserve in Uganda, you apparantly see more cows than antelope while on safari! It's crazy. Here in India the Asiatic Lions are being killed because they come in conflict with the Maldari ( a cattle rearing tribe) and their Cows. (More their cows, so the Maldaris get angry and kill the lions). And ultmately the cows will overgraze so much that they'll die starving, much worse than dying in a farm.
And like I said bfore, it PETA are such cattle freaks, then why don't they go save the Kouprey? Why, huh? Which is the rare one that's facing extinction - the KOUPREY. But PETA officials probably dont even know what the Kouprey is, they'll much rather go causing riot to save the cow while the Kouprey just disappears unnoticed.
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Over 50 million cows are slaughtered every year to feed your greed for burgers, bags and lipstick. So who's to blame if the cow goes extinct soon: the poacher or you
Wow i though cows were farmed not hunted. Blameing kids for haveing desises? These people are insane, insane it tell you!
Acuel quote from a PETA member
hunting is horrible if you want "population control" why don't you just chase the deer down and put them out without shooting them, that is a horrible thing to do.
runing and shouting at deer, grabing them then killing them with a ingection is much more stressful than dieing insantly.
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yea it's like the kids didn't go to a store and say......"hmmm i think i want to be injected with cancer"
and cows aren't hunted they are put in a pasture then taken to a sale barn then bought and maybe taken to a slaughter house right after. most after the sale barn go into another pasture
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Very well said Africanwilddog. I agree 100%. It would be nice if PETA acually tried to help animals in a way that was positive for the animals and in a way that did not get people into feeling guilty about things like keepping a cow to milk it.
I was just reading an artical written by PETA that says people should not buy cow leather. Sheesh, thats on of the things cows are used for! As long as the cow is slaughtered in a hummane way I don't see what the big seal is about buying leater products.
I found this qoute on a PETA sight:
Over 50 million cows are slaughtered every year to feed your greed for burgers, bags and lipstick. So who's to blame if the cow goes extinct soon: the poacher or you?
They also claim that the cow is going extint.
Uh, I'm done now....:paperbag:
:laughing: Man, they're REALLY off on the conservation issue and farming. First of all, I don't think quite that many cows get killed each year. Second, cows are mass bred, there is no way they could go extinct soon. Third, forests have been cut down and plains have been cleared for cattle farms, showing that not only are cows numerous, but they're numbers are causing a lot of problems for native wildlife. Fourth, one cow can be "multi-functional". For example, a milk cow provides milk for at least two years before often being slaughtered for meat and leather. And fifth, cows are not like mink where you have to kill a lot of them to get one coat. Cows are large and one can feed and clothe several people.
By the way, the "free-ranging" technique PETA lobbyies for isn't any more humane than keeping the animals cooped up in small pens all day. Either way, the chickens and pigs and cows are bored and stressed. Cooped up animals may lack social interaction, but free-ranging animals often hurt each other due to the stress of being in an overcrowded enclosure. The only ways to help control this are de-beaking chickens or killing off a lot of the animals.:angry:
hunting is horrible if you want "population control" why don't you just chase the deer down and put them out without shooting them, that is a horrible thing to do.
Like the deer is gonna just stand there and let you kill it:laughing:. Besides, what would you do with the body? You can't eat it, because the chemicals in the injection have probably found their way into the meat. You can't leave the body to rot, because if an animal eats it, it could die. The only things you could do are perform taxidermy, which PETA also hates, or burn the body. I don't hink too many hunters would be keen on it.
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Well said EFan, especially the deer bit!
That's another one of PETA's 10 commandments, they will fight for anything that sounds good fighting for, even if they don't know what to do with the victory at the end. There are so many examples, like the deer, then cows-PETA wants to stop killing them, so what does PETA want people to do-free them? Let them uproot all the grass and make deserts? Let them deprive every other species of the food they all need? And the whole lab animals thing, even if PETA burns labs and breaks them down and 'rescues' the animals, what does PETA do with them? Look, they can't release them into the wild, 'cause some of them might have diseases in their bodies. They can't be bothered enough to pay for treatment or checking. They'll retaliate if those monkeys are put in a zoo. So what is PETA's brilliant end solution? Quarantine them 'temporarily'. That 'temporarily' becomes premanently, to the point where each monkey is alone in a small cage, deprived of social interaction, in pathetic conditions, bored and stressed, just like it was before it was 'rescued'. It's almost like PETA won the battle to liberate those animals, and then uses those animals as prisoners of war. Dude, come on, PETA would still be an efficient, organized organisation if they had solutions, the problem is they don't. They can only think 2 hours ahead.
And firm proof of PETA winning a battle and then not knowing what to do is that whole petakillsanimals.com thing. When they fight to murder to save those dogs, they should at least do something for them. Instead, PETA kills them. KILLS them. With a capital K, I, L, another L, and an S. KILLS them. The poor animals were doomed to a sad death in the hands of PETA.
Which is why I repeat myself - WWF, WildAid, SPCA, etc are organisations worthy of support. PETA isn't.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/17/national/main656288.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/17/national/main656288.shtml)
I found this on PETA's campian agenst eating fish. :rm_fish:
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Most fish that are eaten, MOST that is, are plentlyful. Like tuna for example. There's millions of tuna in the world.....i suspect they bred like crazy and lay hundreds of eggs at a time. *sigh* HELP THE SNOW LEOPARDS PETA. HELP THE MEXICAN GREY WOLF PETA. :( but they are too busy helping cows.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/17/national/main656288.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/17/national/main656288.shtml)
I found this on PETA's campian agenst eating fish. :rm_fish:
The SI qoutes that I posted before contained some of these quotes, I will stop eating fish when they can learn ho to catch frisbee. Does PETA have a campaign aginst deer hunters, if they do it probably suggest shoot and release:sign_rofl :laughing: :laughing:
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Something else i don't understand. They don't rule the world. Not everyone supposrts them do they seriously think just becasue they don't eat meat that everyone is the world is going to stop eating meat? For one vegtables are part of the animal death cycle. And two.....it's just not healthy veggies don't give us all the vitemins(sp) and such we need.
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Fish are friends? Ok lets go to africa and asia and stop people who reli on fish for food that the cant kill fish, there friends. The only good thing about PETA is that it units people of all races class and religions to hate them. They claim that killing animals is inhuman and i tell you it isent ive seen it. The shoot the animal a point blank range with a specil gun. Dead in less than a second.
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PETA is bunch of balony!!!
My mom used to work at PetSmart and they would get calls complaining about dead animals left in the backs of trucks! Usually they were left by PETA! Now does that make sense???? I don't think so!!
And they support the wearing of feathers (such as peacock)...now would the taking of the feathers hurt the bird? sure it doesn't die..but it still is cruel if you want to get technical.
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What I dont get about PETA is that they are against all meat. Even I brought some broiler chickens gave them the best care in the world, toys to play with large outdoor cages and i killed the humanuly so the chicken only felt a Gentle poke* of a needle then i would still be cruel? They make no sense.
*Sorry the proper word can be considerd a swear
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Sorry if I am repeating anything, don't have time to read all the posts here but read alot :)
No I do NOT support Peta... most people don't know first-hand about the psychotic beliefs of animal rights organizations. I have a few experiences from first-hand.
Years back (over 10 years ago) I joined a local animal rights group.
I had no idea what 'animal rights' meant. I was under the assumption it was just about stopping animal cruelty. I didn't know it had anything to do with what you eat, zoos, etc.
So i got to sit through a couple of whacky meetings before never going again. The group wasn't 'Peta', but it was a smaller group that was affiliated with and supported Peta and it's beliefs...
Aside from the normal 'don't eat meat' stuff, here's some other crazy beliefs they had:
~ Don't eat honey b/c bees made it!!! Even though they don't die for the honey to be collected, it is still humans using animals for a food source.
~ Don't let your pets eat meat, even though dogs and cats are carnivores you should only feed them specially made vegan pet foods.
~Pets should go extinct. *EVERY* cat and dog should be spayed/neutered (even responsible breeders animals) so that eventually we never have pets again b/c animals shouldnt be part of human's lives.
~ Never use the word 'pet' b/c it is offensive :-/ You have to say 'companion animal' instead (you know, b/c your dog really knows the difference... lol)
~ Even if testing on one rat would cure the world of AIDs, they are against it.
~ If your dog or cat has fleas.... you are supposed to pick off each flea one-by-one and release them in the grass outside!!!!!! (yes they actually did that!)
I am sure I am missing alot of stuff that was discussed.
But also some other Peta stuff.... I used to spend alot of time online on dog forums and know of some people who were at dog shows... and Peta would go to the outdoor dog shows and open up cages and release the dogs to run off and be killed in the streets b/c they are better off dead than being 'exploited' as show animals.
Peta often releases animals from fur farms, labs, etc. into teh wild where they either die b/c they have no clue how to survive in the wild- Or even worse, they infect natural wildlife with their diseases or breed with them to pass defects along to the offspring. (I am totally against fur- unless its from an animal that gets eaten- but even being anti-fur I know that the animals bred on those farms do not belong in the wild b/c of all the damage that happens)
Peta people are against eating stuff like Jell-o, candy, etc. b/c its made with gelatin which is a by-product of the meat industry (i think they boil cow hooves in the process to make gelatin or something like that)
Peta is against life-saving medications b/c they were tested on animals. They would rather people die of illness than be saved using something animal tested.
Peta is against Seeing-eye dogs!!!!!!! b/c animals should never be 'used' for humans for any reason.
Peta also kills most of the animals it 'rescues'.
There is just so many reasons to hate Peta.
I am against animal abuse, and against 'needless' stuff like killing soley for the sake of fur. But 99.9% of their beliefs are just absurd. Being against animal abuse is one thing... but to wanna exclude animals completely from the world of humans under all circumstances is just looney.
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Next they'll want to reintroduce animals into the world of humans, as equals this time. :wacko:
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Ok next time you see a PETA mamber tell them that they are killing, no murdering billions of sentint creatures whicth should have equel human rights. And there doing right now! There imune systems is killing bacteria and virus! Or tell them how many animals PETA kills.
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I agree with PETA's general idea (to help animals), but I don't agree with their details individual thoughts or their methods.
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Next they'll want to reintroduce animals into the world of humans, as equals this time.
Ok next time you see a PETA mamber tell them that they are killing, no murdering billions of sentint creatures whicth should have equel human rights. And there doing right now! There imune systems is killing bacteria and virus! Or tell them how many animals PETA kills.
Um, me knowing Penguino, I'm not sure you understood him right.:ermm:
My view on PETA is the same as Alpha Raptor's.
Some of my friends live close to a KFC,
and sometimes they see PETA people there
starting mobs shouting how KFC bakes/cooks chickens,:rolleyes:
(Alive) which I probably am sure isn't true.
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I hate PETA.:angry: Simple as that.
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My friend and I both hate PETA. One time, she was riding her horse bareback with only a halter and they came to her and started to tell her how riding a horse is "cruel to the horse". So she argued back to them, asking how it was cruel and they gave an absurd reason. She's also against them because of the other things they do. But how on earth is riding a horse cruel?!
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My friend and I both hate PETA. One time, she was riding her horse bareback with only a halter and they came to her and started to tell her how riding a horse is "cruel to the horse". So she argued back to them, asking how it was cruel and they gave an absurd reason. She's also against them because of the other things they do. But how on earth is riding a horse cruel?!
Claiming horse riding is cruel is just plane weird. I don't own a horse but I know many people who do and all their horses actually get excited when they see a saddle or reins being brought over. Most horses love getting riden so how could it be cruel.:huh:
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PETA actually got the mayor of kansas city (MO, but it might apply for the kansas side to, i dont know) to make January 3 or 6 to be chicken day...WHAT!?! i couldnt believe that when i read it! the mayor made CHICKEN DAY!!!! my friends and i have gotten most of my school to not like peta! my school is over 1000 people, excluding teachers. i think thats pretty big, and for most of them to be against peta is kinda cool.
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I guess because you're "using" the horse or something like that. Lol, Springfield, we had a Chicken Day when I was in Elementary School. Except for us, we ate fried chicken, heard chicken jokes, did the chicken dance, and got to see the baby chicks that the fifth graders were raising. That was about....three years ago or four.
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Edit: I read through more of the thread and decided to redo my whole post! :blink:
Okay, yeah, PETA has the rights, but, they really need to get wised up a little better. Zoos being animal prisons!? That's silly! Take a look at the SD Wild Animal Park for example, they practically (and if not literally) saved the southern white rhino from extinciton through breeding! Many zoos have been breeding giant pandas. And, riding horses cruel!? That's silly too! I used to do horseback riding, and if the horses don't mind it, then why should PETA mind? Plus, eating animal meat being like the holocaust? Well, carnivores eat other animals. Isn't that the cruel and torture? It's natural! Same goes for humans! We (I'm not a vegetarian/vegan, I'm a carnivore myself :badgnome: ) were meant to eat meat! (And if not, then that's okay too. :original: ) I don't like hunting, since it's just laying waste to random animals, and fishing is dumb it you're just gonna throw the fish above a fireplace mantle as a trophy fish. (I like fishing, but I throw them back. : :( : ) It's only... er, pointful if you're gonna eat the animals' meat, and THEN you can throw it on some wall as a trophy. PETA is good in some ways, but, they're just overreactive about a lot of stuff too. I'd stick with WWF (like penguinman said). Now I haven't read the ENTIRE thread so don't maul me if I said something wrong. :pinch: *Takes deep breath*
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PETA actually got the mayor of kansas city (MO, but it might apply for the kansas side to, i dont know) to make January 3 or 6 to be chicken day...WHAT!?! i couldnt believe that when i read it! the mayor made CHICKEN DAY!!!! my friends and i have gotten most of my school to not like peta! my school is over 1000 people, excluding teachers. i think thats pretty big, and for most of them to be against peta is kinda cool.
Now that's just ridiculous :wacko:. Do we really need a holiday like that? I know this is off topic, but KC has been having some problems recently, like banning pittbulls or any dog that looks like a pittbull. (In fact, it's not even in the breed's genes to attack people.) Speaking of which, PETA is advocating the extinction of pittbulls, and all dogs, for that matter.:angry: And horseback riding being cruel? I used to take horseback riding lessons and none of the horses seemed to mind too much about being ridden. In fact, it allows the horses to burn off some energy. And calling bareback riding with only a halter cruel? If you think about it, the horse doesn't have to put up a saddle or bit when it's ridden like that. And I'm wondering too, why is the basic philosophy that humans and animals are equal when humans can't eat meat when animals can. They say humans can survive without meat, but so can chimps and pandas and possibly bears. It would have to require that humans have morals (even though I wouldn't call veganism a "moral") and animals don't. It's just anti-human, period.:angry: By the way, Springfield Elephant, congragulations on getting most of your school to oppose PETA.:thumbsup: The more people who know the truth about PETA, the less sucessful they can be.
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PETA should stand for Poorly Educated Teen Actvists. (Wish i came up with that). If saying horse riding is stupid enougth the claim shearing sheep is cruel:blink: . Now im not a sheep but i have had hair cuts and they didnt hurt me.
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PETA are animal right activists, right?
anyway, they(or someone like them) relased a whole mink farm into the wild. and they were hand raised!! and they all starved or get eaten! and when the oregons zoo elephant, named pet, deid, they blamed it on the zoo!! but peta killing animals on purpose?
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PETA are animal right activists, right?
anyway, they(or someone like them) relased a whole mink farm into the wild. and they were hand raised!! and they all starved or get eaten! and when the oregons zoo elephant, named pet, deid, they blamed it on the zoo!! but peta killing animals on purpose?
They always blame animal death on the owners and captivty.:angry: So many more animals die in the wild than in captivity and the wild animals often live shorter lives! By the way, did you know PETA recently made a docimentary praising the Animal Liberation Front, an animal rights terrorist group that they have been supporting for years?
By the way, did you know they started disrespecting Steve Irwin just a few days after his death?
http://petakillsanimals.com/news_detail.cfm?ID=3129 (http://petakillsanimals.com/news_detail.cfm?ID=3129)
They called him a "cheap reality TV star" and said he was teaching kids to terrify wild animals:hairpull:
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I knew they would disrespect steve. Oh and why does peta claim after a animal dies in a zoo then the zoo is creul? I did a little recerch and found out a unknown fact, animal die in the wild! Thes people are idiotc hypocic. Did you know the there leader uses pig insulin to stay alive?
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Has anyone else noticed that all PETA does is raise money, complain, and then trow a fit? The money they raise doesn't even go to conservation or anything. It goes to promoting PETA! They are as bad as the Environmental Liberation Front! (BTW, any of us who own pets are now refered to as "unethical slave owners".)
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I voted no.
I believe that humans and animals are equal and neither is more important. We must respect all animals (including hyenas). I think it is fine to eat meat because it was what we were designed to do; it's the 'Circle of Life.' However, that does not make it all right to keep farm animals in terrible conditions and kill them inhumanely. It's wrong to kill for sport or for money. As with zoos, many are well managed but there is a minority that are cruel and exploit animals for entertainment. I sit on the fence with animal testing.
PETA go to far. Many supporters may mean well but there are some who are just looking for trouble and they are the real enemies.
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I totally agree with that Hyena Girl. Also, since PETA says we shouldn't eat meat, kill animals for food, etc. etc., what happens if a hungry lion in Africa decides to make a meal out of a human? Or if a tiger shark chomps a leg off of someone? Is that supposed to be okay? And Steve Irwin was a great man. Why in the world would he teach kids to terrify them? (Or be terrified of them, in case that was a typo. :unsure: )
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Yeah, I guess that's why he called them 'beuts' and stuff. /sarcasm
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PETA in a nutshell: Well intentioned, ill-informed.
They have a great thing going, but marching down the street naked screaming "we'd rather be naked than wear fur" (I'm not exaggerating, they did this once) and spray-painting laboratories with ANIMAL MURDERERS isn't going to help their cause, it's going to hurt it.
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From all this I'm convinced PETA is a bunch of aliens who are here to terrorize us.
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What bothers me the most is that many people think that all animal welfare groups are like PETA in that they are extremist and stuff. It's only the vast minority that are actually like that.
Many animal welfare groups (like RSPCA or Born Free) are actually rather peaceful and persuade people rather than force them. Maybe if PETA followed that example, maybe they wouldn't need to be so violent.
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My answer is NO!
I am also a Christian and I agree with Brownwolf. Making up lies is bad enough already...Then people go and make up lies about Jesus! That's just wrong!
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I do NOT support PETA. I think that they have some good intentions, but they go overboard with alot of it. And, I know that some of you will hate me for this, but I do believe in MANAGED hunting, especially in areas where animals are way too overpopulated. I would much rather have a deer die quickly and fairly painlessly, than be hit by a car and lie there in a ditch for hours in agony.
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I agree with Packraptor. In places where predators of the deer (e.g wolves) have been wiped out, the deer may overpopulate a certain area. With no predators to keep the numbers in check, they'll exhaust their food supply. Then I think it's alright to kill a limited amount of deer.
I don't think zoos are prisons. They have saved many endangered species like the Arabian Oryx. Sadly, there are some zoos that are cruel to animals but not many thankfully.
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I do not support PETA, I think they are generally misguided about the relationship animals and humans (as animals, no less) have.
I particularly dislike their insistence that all cats should be indoor cats. My cats love going out into the woodlands beyond my garden and climbing through the trees, lazing in the sun and hunting small animals. Why should I keep them inside again? Oh, because PETA says so.
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Interesting though, they want all other animals to be free-roaming....yet cats should be kept indoors...that's not a very natural environment...LOL
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I don't mind abgout the cats indoors thing, because they can damage wildlife when they hunt birds
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Uh, but that's what cats -do-. They eat small animals. That would be how they survive (if humans didn't feed them). It's a natural instinct that you can't just shut out :/
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Why cant you just put reflective and ultrasonic noise warning collers on cats? Luckly people are not puting up with all there stupid animal groups. There was a march in oxford recently with 750 people protesting to build the animal lab. PETA kills animals and hinders medical reserch, If your american Please sign the petition to remove PETAs tax exhemts status. Sign please (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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Well, humans do feed them. It harms populations of native birds. And the cats aren't a natural predator to a bird, atleast not in these numbers (there are as many feral cats as pet cats). Thats why they have Trap-Nueter-Release programs, to lower the population of feral cats without physically hurting the,
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I was very angry about what PETA said about Steve Irwin. I sent an email of protest demanding them to apologise but they refused, still saying he 'harms' and 'harasses' animals, despite what I said about him having qualifications to do so. He wasn't harming wildlife to become rich and popular(like they said); he was doing it because he so dedicated to wildlife, that he gave his own life for it. I think PETA don't like him because he has his own zoo. I also think PETA is jealous because he taught more people to love animals with his up-close and personal encounters than PETA did with their biased opinions being forced onto you.
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I thin PETA were quite correct about ther take on 'celebs' like the late Steve irwin etc they use animals to promote themselves not to help the animals I thin all wildlife show life that should be cancelled. shows like Blue Planet ect are much better as they show the animals in theri own environment not being harrassed and mauled around by 'presnters'
Appearances on television talk shows and at conferences and community events subject animals-including babies who should be with their mothers-to completely unnatural and stressful environments. Many celebrity wildlife exhibitors use animal suppliers and assistants with poor records of animal care. Self-professed wildlife warriors make their livings by harassing and mishandling animals who are minding their own business in their natural environments. Animals' homes are invaded, their nests and dens are disrupted, and they are dragged by their tails, netted, roped, and forced to endure physical invasion of their personal space as the exhibitors jump on them and wrestle them to the ground.
True wildlife experts, such as Jean-Michel Cousteau, frown upon the idea of hauling exotic animals around in an endless parade of shows and exhibits and disturbing animals in their natural habitats. Cousteau stated that Irwin would “interfere with nature, jump on animals, grab them, hold them, and have this very, very spectacular, dramatic way of presenting things. Of course, it goes very well on television. It sells, it appeals to a lot people, but I think it's very misleading. You don't touch nature, you just look at it.”
PETA commends those true wildlife warriors who work daily to educate the public about wildlife conservation and to protect the habitats of our wild-animal friends, all while giving them the privacy and the space that they need and deserve.
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Yeah but those kind of show are not good for reptiles. Snakes just normaly sit there and do nothing for animals. And Picking up a snake does not compare to killing over 10,000 kittens and puppys.
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I thin PETA were quite correct about ther take on 'celebs' like the late Steve irwin etc they use animals to promote themselves not to help the animals I thin all wildlife show life that should be cancelled. shows like Blue Planet ect are much better as they show the animals in theri own environment not being harrassed and mauled around by 'presnters'
But Steve was great.... He DID actually help animals, you know! He ran Australlia Zoo!
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I voted NO! PETA are the worst animal saving organization. Saying Steve Irwin was a bad conservationist is wrong! Why was the wildlife warriors fund created? Animal Conservation! If PETA really did try to help they would have helped save the Baiji! PETA anger me a lot and mixing religion with animals is just wrong! So was comparing black people to animals! :angry: :angry: :angry: :cool:
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I voted NO! PETA seriously have to reconsider their thoughts on zoos. San Diego Zoo is one of the best zoos for breeding and conservation. PETA should take a walk and find out. Steve has said that his goal was to protect animals. They ran Crocoseum to promote animal awareness. And pets are fine as long as they are treated with care. THey dont even care about the numerous species that are dying around the world.
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NO!! I voted NO!! PETA kills animals, says bad stuff about Steve Irwin, and did not help save animals at all! :wallbash: :sign_alri
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There's an online petition to stop PETA, PM me if you want the link.
I do agree with some of their philosophies (e.g cruel circuses) but only a very few. I think it is good that a few of our members are vegetarians because then it means less animals need to be killed.:original:
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I would never support a group like PETA that puts the so-called "rights" of animals over those of people. I do, of course, believe that animals should be treated with kindness, but they do not have rights, since rights are something reserved for people. The zoos I have seen are generally very good to the animals, and some (like San Antonio's world-class zoo) have excellent breeding programs, and do a lot to keep many endangered animals around. As for vegetarianism, if that is what a person chooses, that is their right, but telling others that they can't eat meat (or wear furs or leather!) is plain wrong. The religious angles PETA attempts to use are plain ignorant, since God Himself clothed Adam and Eve in animal skins, and told Noah after the flood that people should then eat meat (one can assume that the serious climactic changes can account for this need). Also, let us not forget, if no one else has mentioned this, that PETA is often suspected of being directly involved in activities that are nothing short of domestic terrorism. I think I will stick with supporting the zoos and other realistic organizations.
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Peta=terrorist orginzation
Nuff said.
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PETA has some good intentions, but they seem to lose track of those objectives sometimes in an effort to "win." Winning political games, or scoring one on some rival doesn't actually help any animals. Nor does a bunch of publicity. Further, PETA seems to be becoming a punch line for an ever increaseing number of jokes. Which means it has to spend more time working the political and media aspects. How long can it even be effective at anything given that?
At this point, there are other organizations that are doing more while causing less harm.
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NO!
They are so cruel it's sad. :pout:
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I havn't voted.(yet)
What is PETA?
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It stands for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Although many people here (including me) think they've gone overboard.
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I've voted now. NONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those sick scum! Did you see that propaganda that was aimed at little kids?:sick::disgust:
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Animals are so abused now a days and you may not think it. I suggest googling factory farms and seeing what that brings up. I don't like Peta becasue ya they need prorities straight. I also hate how alot of they're ads are "sexual", stuff if I had kids wouldn't want them to see. also god did not put animals on this earth for us to eat, you may like to think it but pigs did not start out as pigs and cows did not start out as cows. We bred and evolutionized them to be what they are today for human consumption. If animals were put ont his earth to eat why don't we eat dogs, cats, alligators in a normal diet? Same with how a poodle came from a wolf. Sorry I just hate that exuse to eat meat. (BTW way I am a vegitarian as well =)
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Yes. I am a member of PETA. Well, was. My friends were too. I don't believe, though, that Zoo's are prisons because it can save animals lives, but there are abusive zoo's out there. But just because I am a member doesn't mean I like all that they say. Let's just say I'm not exstream, I'm just an animal lover that helps out at animal shelters and such and is a vegitarian. I don't go running around naked or go yelling about bad stuff they do. I just believe in animal rights, and that fur coats shouldn't be allowed and circus animals should be placed in a good zoo where they are taken care of.
But I do see they go overboard, but I ignore it and just read about animals. Just... don't flame me.
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Maybe He didn't originally but after the great flood He gave us all the animals in the world to eat. Which we do and which we do not is entirly up to us He just said that we can't eat (or drink) blood. Also in the begining he gave us all of the animals and almost all of the plants (except one) to use not abuse just because He gave them to us doesn't mean it's right to abuse them but it is not wrong to eat them.
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Now to continue discussing PETA, if they fund arsonists and place bombs in medical research labs then how come they arn't already shut down.:huh:
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Well said! Post flood, God actually told Noah to eat the animals. Plus, I don't buy into all the macro-evolution, anyway. Agree that real abuse is wrong, but can also state that I would take the loss of a loy of animals if it would mean a cancer cure. After all, the people are far more important.
Maybe He didn't originally but after the great flood He gave us all the animals in the world to eat. Which we do and which we do not is entirly up to us He just said that we can't eat (or drink) blood. Also in the begining he gave us all of the animals and almost all of the plants (except one) to use not abuse just because He gave them to us doesn't mean it's right to abuse them but it is not wrong to eat them.
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Now to continue discussing PETA, if they fund arsonists and place bombs in medical research labs then how come they arn't already shut down.:huh:
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Well said! Post flood, God actually told Noah to eat the animals. Plus, I don't buy into all the macro-evolution, anyway. Agree that real abuse is wrong, but can also state that I would take the loss of a loy of animals if it would mean a cancer cure. After all, the people are far more important.
Maybe He didn't originally but after the great flood He gave us all the animals in the world to eat. Which we do and which we do not is entirly up to us He just said that we can't eat (or drink) blood. Also in the begining he gave us all of the animals and almost all of the plants (except one) to use not abuse just because He gave them to us doesn't mean it's right to abuse them but it is not wrong to eat them.
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Now to continue discussing PETA, if they fund arsonists and place bombs in medical research labs then how come they arn't already shut down.:huh:
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Let's not make this a debate about God please. Everyone has their own religious beliefs and we don't want to offend anyone.
I'm sorry but as advanced as our society is I find it ridiculous that we have not found any other means to test things besides doing it on animals. Some things that we do to them doesn't even make sense. Do you know that some tests include rubbing harmful substances into rabbits eyes, while they are sitting there in rows with their head through a hole so they can't even rub it out? And you know the purpose of this test? To see if they go blind. That's the whole idea behind it. I don't know how hard it is to know that if I rubbed bleach paste over your eyes, you'd go blind. Seems like common sense to me.
Other tests include force feeding dogs so until 50% of the group dies. That doesn't seem like a cure for cancer to me.
And furthermore, the majority of the results they acquire can't be accurately applied to humans. Heard of Penicillin? It almost was thrown out because it killed the mice in the lab test and was deemed harmful to humans. Now, it is one of the most widely used medicines for several illnesses that use to kill people.
I'm not saying that PETA is always right. They go too far too many times with the things they do. But I am highly against animal testing. I don't eat animal products besides fish, milk, and cheese, and I refuse to even touch real fur coats.
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True, very true, but what else is there to test? I don't agree with breaking a cat's back to examine it, but fires and explosions are not the answer.
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No its not. and I even said in my reply:
I'm not saying that PETA is always right. They go too far too many times with the things they do.
We have ways of making cell cultures that could be used to test the substances; instead of using real rabbit eyes, couldn't we use tissue samples and examine them like that (or better yet, use human tissue samples so that it actually means something) That's just one example. The point is living animals being tortured so that we have have ways to make our eyeshadows and shampoos and perfumes is inhumane.
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It's a definite NO! for me (hey, I kinda sound like Simon Cowell:happy: : :P :). PETA blows things out of proportoin and does evil things, and it pains me that many Hollywood stars are supporting it.
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Hey orange! (what can I call you anyway, orangemonkey, orange, or monkey: :P : )
That would be a good solution, test tissues instead of living things.
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Hey orange! (what can I call you anyway, orangemonkey, orange, or monkey: :P : )
orangemonkey22, orangemonkey, OM22, and O-Monkey are OK.:happy: And hey, I just noticed that if you click on the numbers, you can see who voted for what.:badgnome: :happy:
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On that point, we agree. For testing of cosmetics, shampoo, or whatever, there are better ways to test, and in fact a great number of companies these days do not use animals for testing. For medical purposes, however, there are valid uses in a lot of cases, and those are instances where animal testing is needed. If someone comes up with a better way, that's great by me, but for now that is what we have. As for fur and leather, when the animals are raised for that purpose, as long as the killing is humane, I have no issues with it. Fur is very, VERY warm in cold climates.
Let's not make this a debate about God please. Everyone has their own religious beliefs and we don't want to offend anyone.
I'm sorry but as advanced as our society is I find it ridiculous that we have not found any other means to test things besides doing it on animals. Some things that we do to them doesn't even make sense. Do you know that some tests include rubbing harmful substances into rabbits eyes, while they are sitting there in rows with their head through a hole so they can't even rub it out? And you know the purpose of this test? To see if they go blind. That's the whole idea behind it. I don't know how hard it is to know that if I rubbed bleach paste over your eyes, you'd go blind. Seems like common sense to me.
Other tests include force feeding dogs so until 50% of the group dies. That doesn't seem like a cure for cancer to me.
And furthermore, the majority of the results they acquire can't be accurately applied to humans. Heard of Penicillin? It almost was thrown out because it killed the mice in the lab test and was deemed harmful to humans. Now, it is one of the most widely used medicines for several illnesses that use to kill people.
I'm not saying that PETA is always right. They go too far too many times with the things they do. But I am highly against animal testing. I don't eat animal products besides fish, milk, and cheese, and I refuse to even touch real fur coats.
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Except 90% of the results we get from medical researching cannot even be APPLIED to humans. That's the real kicker. And we DO have alternatives; but when most people hear "alternatives" they think using NO part of animals at all. Reduction, Refinement, Replacement.
Replacement:
-One example of a replacement alternative is no longer considered an alternative--it has become the norm. Not too many years ago, if a woman wanted to find out if she was pregnant, she'd have to get a laboratory test that involved killing a rabbit. Now, she can buy a small kit over-the-counter that tests her urine for certain chemicals--the rabbits have been replaced.
-Synthetic skin is now being used in Europe and parts of the U.S. to test for skin corrosiveness.
-Computer modeling also can replace certain kinds of animal use, particularly in education. High school biology classes, for example, might practice dissection on a computer model rather than on real, live frogs. Even medical schools are beginning to develop "virtual reality" devices for students to practice on.
Reduction:
-Improved statistical design represents one form of reduction alternative. With sophisticated, low cost statistical packages available for the computer these days, investigators can get the most out of the data generated by each animal they use and so need fewer animals altogether.
-If one researcher is studying rat brain tissue, for example, when it comes time to kill the rat, he may allow other researchers to use the kidneys, liver, or other parts of the animal for their own studies. Re-designing studies to collect as much information as possible from the same set of animals can also reduce animal usage.
Refinement:
-Refinement covers anything that serves to reduce the animals' pain and distress or to enhance their well-being. These alternatives may come in a great variety of forms. Giving an animal appropriate medication for pain is one example of a refinement alternative.
-Techniques that are less invasive to the animal also may constitute refinement. For example, researchers can use such modern medical technologies as ultrasound or Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) to look at what is happening inside an animal without cutting into it.
-Refinement also includes such things as giving animals bigger cages, offering them appropriate toys to play with so they won't get bored, and allowing them to have companions of their own kind (if that is a natural condition for the species).
There are ways to deal with this "necessary" evil.
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Well, then if these alternatives are available, and in use, that is great. I really haven't kept up with a lot of this, because it can be tedious at times to wade through some of the none-too-trustworthy information put out by some of the more radical animal rights groups. As I stated before, I don't think there should ever be unneccesary cruelty to animals, as we are supposed to be caretakers, and thus should do all that is possible and practical to ensure the comfort of animals that are neded for testing. I know that when I was in the military, I had training in animal care, and we did have a number of dogs that were used for the course. During this course, we learned how to give injections (saline only), draw blood, and do stitches (this was on one animal, under general anesthesia, with groups taking turns adding stitches AFTER a lot of practice on synthetic material). These animals were very well cared-for, even back then, as we were required to walk them twice daily, groom them as necessary - usually daily brushing; plus, we really did like these animals, and they were happy and well-treated, with roomy, easy-to-clean kennels that were cleaned daily by the class. Under those conditions, these animals helped us to obtain superior training so that we could help treat other animals with better skills. When we did dissections on cats (yeah, yeah - I LOVE cats myself, and it was sad), the animals we used were from animal shelters, that would otherwise have been simply disposed of.
If animals are needed for medical studies - legit studies, NOT cosmetics, etc. - then if they are treated well, and used only as necessary, then people should be able to accept that. When so-called "animal rights" groups start taking drastic measures, breaking into buildings and destroying property, or even more extreme tactics, that is going too far, and endangering people to help lower creatures. Heck, there is even a very real danger that some of these people could unwittingly release to the public some harmful substance or germ that was being tested by releasing the animal in use (ever see 28 Days Later?) I think simple common sense and a realistic set ot priorities would be useful for some of the more radical groups, and would even help them to get across their point, as people listen to the more sensible organizations, while dismissing any radical group outright.
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And I have never once said that I agree with what Peta does. And the stuff you are talking about I am totally not against. It's just that when animals are force fed medications that will kill them, and then those results cannot be used on humans....what is even the point of that? That's my main argument against medical research.
Btw, can you use a smaller font size and maybe a different color? that really hurts my eyes and makes it hard for me to read
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Wow Mika those are amazing alternatives! It would do a lot of good.
Yes, finding a cure for AIDS is worth it. But when researchers repeatedly do the same test in different labs just to get more money, thats overdoing it and cruel, like the rhesus case.
PETA should shut up abt Steve Irwin though. Steve did a lot more for wildlife, whatever his intentions, than PETA has. And PETA's racist comments will just bring hatred towards the whole movement for animal rights.
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Mika I completely agree!!! :goodpost:
This might sound horrible, so I apologise in advance if I hurt anybody. Just because you have bred the animal does not give you the right to kill it. I am sorry, but I see no way in which you can justify the breeding of animals simply to kill them for their skin or meat. Slaves were 'bred' to work - wasn't that horrible? Maybe in 100 years our grandchildren will be shocked by how we treated animals.
africanwilddog, if they use chimpanzees to develop cures for AIDS, then they should keep them in humane conditions. Even if they are developing a cure for AIDS, they could keep the animals in large enclosures, give the animals enrichment and give them a generally high standard of life. Scientists think chimpanzees may be capable of complex emotions, like wonder. They might be thinking animals, almost like us. Would you like to be locked in a 5x5 cage for the rest of your life?
I am vegetarian. I do not support PETA. Animal rights are not a joke; just look into your dog's eyes - would you like him/her to be butchered (no anaesthetic, remember animals for slaughter never get them) and eaten?
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:loony:<--- PETA
They just don't do anything good somehow.
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Maybe when I grow up, get my zoo to be the biggest and most successful zoo in the world, and become very rich, I'll buy PETA and turn it into a good organization and save thousands of animals. :)
That'd be kinda cool. :)
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Maybe when I grow up, get my zoo to be the biggest and most successful zoo in the world, and become very rich, I'll buy PETA and turn it into a good organization and save thousands of animals. :)
That'd be kinda cool. :)
Yeah! Better start saving your money! ;)
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Yeah! Better start saving your money! ;)
No, I'm serious. :blink: I know I can do it when I grow up. :)
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I don't think I could ever support PETA. To me, they have always come across as an organisation that look to cause trouble rather then do any good. In truth, this is probably the minority that are like this, but it's always the case that a few bad apples ruin something for the good majority.
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For some reason I can't vote in the poll. I complete agree with what PETA does. I'm against any kind of animal testing (makes no sense when animals are so different from humans), cruelty and killing of any kind. But I do think they need to stop about Steve Irwin, he did so much for wildlife conservation and education.
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I complete agree with what PETA does. I'm against any kind of animal testing (makes no sense when animals are so different from humans), cruelty and killing of any kind.
So am I, however as I simply cannot support a bunch of bomb toting, arsonist funding looneys :loony: who give 5 year olds graphic flyers that turn them against their parents, and who say that the rats are more important then the child in the hospital who just died of cancer yesterday!
Edit: There is no reason to bring religion into this. You may inadvertently offend someone by some of your words. Mika
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I too support PETA's principles - I firmly believe that circuses involving animals should be banned. I also do not eat meat and am horrified by the conditions in which cows,pigs and chickens are kept before being slaughtered.
Don't get me wrong, I think PETA needs to get its priorities straight. In India, all PETA seems to be good for is holding pickets outside KFC, whilst there are countless stray dogs starve to death and are run over everyday.
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I can't vote for some odd reason so I will just state my opinion. NO! Read crookshankz227's post, thats what i have to say. I agree 100% with you!
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If you noticed, most of us have agreed that SOMETIMES it is necessary. But the problems with your rebuttal is this
1. No one said humans were to be substituted for animals
2. the force feeding of the dogs has nothing to do with medical research for humans. It is not applied to humans at all.
3. Most research done on animals is NOT for cancer cures. Notice I say most. Some IS but the majority of it is not, and what IS can not always be used on humans. Rats were given penicillin and died from it and it was almost thrown away because it was thought to be lethal to humans. Now, it has saved countless lives. If we had relied solely on animal testing, then penicillin wouldn't be one of the most commonly used drugs in the world.
4. Stuff that happens in a dish on HUMAN TISSUE is much more applicable to humans than what happens to an animal that shares hardly any of the same genetic material as a human.
5. Animals are usually only killed humanely if the meat is labeled Kosher. Otherwise, the animal can suffer. Chickens, for example are ran through scalding hot water while still alive and hanging from their legs to remove feathers. And conditions of living could be so much better - cramming a baby cow into a pen only as large as itself so that it cannot move, or lay down or ever see its mother so that we can have veal is not humane.
No one hates you for your opinions. We are all entitled to them :)
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Have you noticed male lions kill cubs sired by other lions? Can we extrapolate from that to humans? I certainly hope not - which means that the earlier example doesn't work either. Predators have a role in ecosystems. Slaughterhouses do not. We're also causing massive damage to dolphin and crocodile populations because of over-fishing. People are horrified, but they won't stop eating fish.
About cosmetics, couldn't people go without eyeshadow? What's more important - eyeshadow or a dog's life?
When you're testing animals, you must keep them in humane conditions. Unfortunately, this is rarely, if ever, done.
Nobody hates you for your opinions - you have every right to feel the way you do. =]
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i hate this!i think if they are gonna test on animals test on mice.Also has anybody heard of Kunuk?Hes, a abanded polar bear."Animal Rights Actovistes(SP?)"say he should grow in the wild or kill him!why are they call Animal Rhights if they are suggesting we kill a cute orphan polar bear?
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5. Animals are usually only killed humanely if the meat is labeled Kosher. Otherwise, the animal can suffer. Chickens, for example are ran through scalding hot water while still alive and hanging from their legs to remove feathers. And conditions of living could be so much better - cramming a baby cow into a pen only as large as itself so that it cannot move, or lay down or ever see its mother so that we can have veal is not humane.
Yes unfortunately animals raised in factory farms are treated very poorly. They aren't considered as living, feeling creatures who can feel pain. Personally I don't eat meant from factory farms although I'm not vegetarian or vegan, I only eat meat if it's either labeled kosher or organic (they are pretty much the same and both require the animals are treated humanely).
I'm also against animal testing, I can accept it if there are no other methods and the animal is given the best treatment it can to keep it comfortable (not to say I like the idea). However many, many tests are done that there are alternatives for or that aren't even necessary in the first place. And, for instance, animal testing for cosmetics, house cleaning products, and soap isn't required. You can find brands for all of these type of products that aren't tested on animals so it's obviously possible to avoid it.
But in regards to PETA, I do agree with a lot of what they say, perhaps not to the same extent on all points but to a degree. I do feel that they are extremists though, their methods are generally not respectable in my opinion which is why I would generally say I don't like the organization.
I'm not trying to argue here, just stating my opinions as we are all entitled to do.
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Well, forgive the errors in my post, I can't be sure about everything that I say.
About the slaughterhouse being unatural, of course it is but the only difference between and animal suffering because if is being clawed and bitten to death and what happenes at a slaughterhouse is that the slaughterhouse is more hygenic. When an animal dies in the wild due to a predetor, it will suffer before death come to it, how long varies, but it remains that it will suffer. It ain't a pleasent sensation to get a neckbite from a croc or to be slashed across the belly by a lion.
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Have you noticed male lions kill cubs sired by other lions? Can we extrapolate from that to humans? I certainly hope not - which means that the earlier example doesn't work either.
I would like you to respond to this - you cannot justify human behaviour by looking at animal examples.
Predators have a role in ecosystems. Slaughterhouses do not. We're also causing massive damage to dolphin and crocodile populations because of over-fishing. People are horrified, but they won't stop eating fish.
They have a role in an ecosystem. The death may not be painless, but it's essential for life to go on (food chains, food webs and nutrient cycles). Slaughterhouses certainly do not play a role in any ecosystem, and are not necessary for the continuation of life. Have you understood what I'm trying to say? :)
You also cannot justify blinding and perhaps killing a dog just so you can wear eyeshadow. Cosmetics testing is just wrong.
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Animals that die in the wild actually don't suffer that much, as predators often go straight for a spot that kills the animal instantly. A cheetah taking out the jugular of an impala is definitely more humane than many things that the slaughterhouse does.
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I never Support Peta and I never will :angry:
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The point is that at some point, meat is nessesary to the human body. We kill to eat, I have not once said that slaughterhouses are a good thing, the point is that you can't justify saying that humans killing and eating is a terrible thing while anything else killing to eat is "Nature's way."
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You need proof that we're omnivores? Look at your teeth. Those triangular ones are canines, which are for cutting meat. Factory farms aren't all that common. Most farms take very good care of their animals. Anyway, most are now shot. If done properly, the animal dies instantly. Compare to a Komodo dragon, who's victims often suffer for hours or even days.
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Animals on the farm are NEVER shot, just so you know. Bullets and shot can destroy parts of the meat and so would cost the farmer money. Yes we are technically omnivores because its easier to get certain amino acids that the human body needs from animal proteins, but its not impossible to get it from non animal sources.
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Just takes a little bet more effort to get them, though human beings have come to the point where this effort is fairly minimal.
Though gotta admit, I think meat tastes pretty good.
As for PETA, I think their intentions are good, but I feel as if their is some corruption in their ranks. And manipulation of course, but every good orginization needs that.
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I hate PETA. I think they secretly just want to make mankind miserable, sure humans are stupid, but that doesn't mean we have to torture each other. It means we have to improve. I voted 'no'
Also, I'm not a vegetarian, because the animals used to make Hamburgers, hot dogs and etc. are bred to die, not just taken from the wild to die. But I don't eat a lot of meat really. Some people think I am a vergetarian.
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I think that PETA is way too radical to make a good difference in the world. They are domestic terrorists. I'm changing my major from Graphic Design to either Zoology and Wildlife Biology or Zoology and Conservation, and I have to go out of state because the great school in my state for that, University of Michigan, has been bombed, the animals released into the wild, and the staff and students harassed. Yeah, I'm afraid of PETA and afraid to go to school at U of M because of them.
But that doesn't mean that some of the stuff they are trying to fix in all the wrong ways are themselves wrong. Modern farms could worry less about output and worry more about the comfort of animals. Like I've said before, I will eat wild game because they didn't have a long suffering life and was taken just like it was supposed to be. I would not be a mostly vegetarian if the conditions were correct for the animals. The reason I am is because the less meat I eat, the less animals need to be put through that horrible life. Also all of the hormones that weren't tested on humans enough that are in our meat could later cause problems with my personal health. And to have all of those animals in such cramped conditions means that nature generally steps in and things that an illness needs to take place because of overpopulation (she's good at regulating like that) and many times the meat could be or is contaminated.
Of course these are just my opinions, and I know I have a lot of them, lol, but this is just something I'm passionate about. I can't bite into a chicken without thinking that the breast I'm eating is only so large because the chicken was filled with growth hormones and fattening foods, and that because of its unnatural breast size was unable to walk on its own two legs for the majority of its life because it couldn't support its own weight.
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At many slaughterhouses actually the animals are shot, not in a place where it would damage the meat but so that it dies instantly and without pain, some not all, but in most, even if the animal is not shot, it dies quickly and painlessly.
Have you noticed male lions kill cubs sired by other lions? Can we extrapolate from that to humans? I certainly hope not - which means that the earlier example doesn't work either.
You want me to respond to that? You asked for it. They're animals!!! They were made that way to do that. Obviously we were not made to do that. However what we were made to do is to eat meat and plants, our teeth prove it, our digestive tract proves it, and I'm not going to stop eating meat because some stupid organization that kills to get what they want says to!! If we were made to kill human babies that weren't our own, then we would!! However we were not made to do that, so we don't! Lions were made to eat meat, so were we, we are different than animals. Case closed.
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Animals like pigs and chickens are hung from their legs and their throats are cut and are drained of blood, not shot. look it up I promise. Guns are not a part of the process.
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I eat meat, because it tastes delicious. That doesn't mean I do not think about the condition of the animals. I try my hardest to eat only free range meat and eggs, so the animal has at least had a decent quality of life. (And living on a student budget I'm practically vegetarian anyway!) I absolutely refuse to eat battery hen eggs and I wish to see the practice outlawed.
Yes, we are animals, and we were designed to get our nutrients from a variety of natural sources, from meat, fish, vegetables etc. However there does not have to be a conflict between eating meat and caring about our fellow animals. There is a balance, you just have to be responsible and socially aware of the wider consequences that your purchasing decisions make.
I would like to point out that "animals do that! we are not animals" or "animals do that! we are animals" arguments are superfluous, as I'd hope that most of you would know that all animals are differently suited to their environment and their available resources, and have differing social structures than our own.
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Animals like pigs and chickens are hung from their legs and their throats are cut and are drained of blood, not shot. look it up I promise. Guns are not a part of the process.
Very well I'll take your word for it, however you realize that cutting their throats is an instant death.
I would like to point out that "animals do that! we are not animals" or "animals do that! we are animals" arguments are superfluous
How should I take that? If my argument means nothing then please explain why.
Yes, we are animals
Sorry but this is just too much, just because we can be classified with animals does not mean that we are, I can't prove it but I know that what I'm saying is the truth.
I do not mean any kind of disrespect, but when people tell me that what I say means nothing, than that's when I get upset.
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How should I take that? If my argument means nothing then please explain why.
I explained. Pointing to other animals to find behaviour you personally disagree/agree with to justify your point does not take into account the wider circumstances of the wildly different environments that all animals including humans find themselves in, and also ignores the fact that all animals have different behaviours.
Sorry but this is just too much, just because we can be classified with animals does not mean that we are, I can't prove it but I know that what I'm saying is the truth.
Zoo Titan, I'm not going to turn this thread into an "are we animals?" thread because practically every single leading biological establishment in the world agrees that humans are the species homo sapiens, we are primates and we are animals. If you want to argue with science, fine.
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Excuse e'mua, for having an opinion. As I said before, I did not mean disrespect to anyone who thinks differently than I do, but my argument has a point no matter what. Your entitled to your own opinion but so am I, and I didn't step on your opinion by saying that it was a useless opinion, I'm sorry if I've offended you in anyway, to each his own.
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Everyone is allowed their opinion, no need for anyone to get upset. Just because someone quotes part of your opinion to use as a jumping platform to lead into part of their own opinion does not mean that they are attacking you or your beliefs; it means that there are aspects of thought that you differ on and then that person is explaining why. This can also be called a friendly debate. No one's opinion is useless and from what I see no one was claiming that. If you are going to share your opinion, please be prepared to listen to someone else's; we do not become open-minded to the world by being closed minded to what others have to say.
If we can't get along, this thread will have to be closed.
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Fine, I just thought that he was saying my opinion was useless because the word superfluous in the dictionary means: unnessesary;useless.
About PETA: they say that zoos are "animal prisons" however look at Seaworld, it is a zoo, however they have donated over 8 million dollars to conservation of wildlife, nearly every cent that PETA gets is spent on advertising themselves. PETA is Nothing, and the world's animals would be better of without them!! If you wan't animal cruelty prevention, I say look to SPCA (Society for prevention of cruelty to animals) not PETA.
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Are we discussing animal rights or PETA here? They aren't the same thing. I do not support PETA, but I feel sad when people dismiss animal rights as something only gun-toting whackos support.
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:goodpost: I agree, PETA is not the only group that supports animal cruelty prevention, their are many other more sane groups out their that are more worth peoples time.
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Agreed full heartedly Crooky. I do not support PETA's ways as I have stated but that doesn't mean people should not care about animal rights just because of a radical group.
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I have an opinion on these types of groups.
They are fanatics. Plain and simple. They say the are an animal rights group but take it upon themselves to break the law at times to get their point across.
They, as far as I'm concerned can be judged as the terrorists of the animal rights world thinking that their extreme actions will result in getting what they want accomplished.
This accomplishes nothing but make the rest of us less receptive to their message and more receptive to organizations like WWF and a few others who have chosen the right path to make their message heard and recognized.
Animal testing is in some cases as stated earlier necessary but I feel after a test that they know has caused the animal discomfort and pain and could continue to do so the animal should be put down so it no longer has to suffer needlessly. We do this to our pets when they are suffering it just the humane thing to do.
All living things have a need for survival and all living things have an instinct to kill to survive. But all living things have different ways of accomplishing this. Some more painful and some very quick so there is no suffering at all. It's natural instinct to survive.
As humans we have governments who in some countries are there to watch over these things and regulate how animals for human needs are dealt with. To make things more humane for the animals we have to make sure as voters that our governments police these things the way they should be and not let inhumane practices to continue just for our benefit. This is a huge task and not always done to our liking and there are those and always will be those times when these things slip through and go undiscovered.
As a society and as members of that society it is our responsibility to make sure they are aware of these things but there is a right way and wrong way to go about it as with most things in life. PETA is just the wrong way to do it.
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Yes, PETA is extremely radical and the what I really hate about them is that as a result of their destructive protests etc they are giving people who believe in animal rights as a group a bad name. Many people now will tie extremist organizations like PETA to all vegetarians, vegans etc and that's simply not fair.
They don't earn respect through what they do either instead they tend to spawn in people a generalization that anyone who thinks that you shouldn't eat meat, or that are against animal testing etc are going to go out and take part in violent protests, or at least that seems to be my experience with the whole thing.
And if they cause people to think of all animal rights groups as being radical then really they are doing more harm than good, if they used peaceful means of getting their point across then I really think they'd be able to make a bigger difference.
That's just my two cents worth.
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Theirs not much more to be said I think, we've covered it. PETA is bad and if you want animal cruelty prevention than go with the SPCA or WWF. What else can we say?
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That's just not right! You might consider donating to the SPCA (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals). I don't know if they have that in the UK but its worth a shot, they only request $15.00 American Dollars here, which through the use of this nifty little currency calculator I found on the internet :) equates to about 7.6 British Pounds.
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Well culling elephants sometimes has to be done. And a ocasionly bull shot by a tourist well help protect the other by paying the rangers wages. PETA are idiots, if we give them what they want thay will be after rights for bacteria.
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You do not need to cull elephants. You can sterilize the females. Culling elephants causes the young generation to grow up as deeply disturbed animals, and they also lose much communal knowledge that has been handed down from generation to generation. The will grow up to be aggressive and dangerous animals, because they will associate human beings with carnage. Hunting for sport is just BAD. End of story. You are killing for fun.
Are you dismissing animal rights just because of one silly organisation? PETA isn't always composed of fools - they made our zoo move the tigers from pitiful indoor cages to outdoor enclosures. Animal rights aren't a joke.
Vegetarianism is also more ecologically manageable. Concerned about dolphin populations? Then stop eating their food!!
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And a ocasionly bull shot by a tourist well help protect the other by paying the rangers wages.
This is like the old economic story:
A vandal breaks a baker's window. The crowd is accepting of this destruction and even encourages it because they know that the baker must replace the window, meaning new work for the window-maker. They conclude that this unfortunate destruction has actually created work and thus improved the economy.
What the crowd does not see is the 'potential' the baker had to buy a suit (or something else) with the money he had to use for the replacement window. That would have been work for the tailor (or someone else). Either way, the baker creates work with his money. But, if his window wasn't broken, he could have had a window and a suit. Now he only has a window. The end result is loss.
Though that might not sound like it makes a lot of sense, neither does saying "poaching an elephant helps rangers get paid". Sure, if people didn't illegally kill endangered animals we wouldn't have much need for them. But then that ranger could be doing a job as doing something that IS necessary like helping animal populations in other ways. If people didn't poach, we wouldn't have as many endangered animals, and then people could have jobs doing better things that help more animals and people.
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Most animals right groups are just idiots they what total animal libration which is stupid. Most animals in zoos if they had a choice would pick a zoo. In a zoo you get food and mates deliverd. You never have to worry about predetors or illness. There is a penguin encloseure at dudley zoo which looks quite bad but is one of the best in the europe for breeding them.
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I would like you to come to the zoos in India - animals in the zoo regularly die because of neglect. Till three years ago, the tigers and lions lived in concrete cages, built when the zoo was built, in the 1800s. The elephants didn't even have an enclosure - they were chained under a shed. They were never let out, or allowed to walk further than their chains would allow them. Which animal would like to live in this house of horrors?
A zoo is very useful. The fact that most animal rights groups are for total animal liberation isn't true, it's just propaganda against all animal rights - because one one extremist organisation. You must look beyond PETA.
PETA is NOT = animal rights.
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Its jsut such a waste of money. Im sure the zoo your talking about could easily be renovated or the animals releses to the wild with the money peta rake in.
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Well, here in California, Zoos are Extremely well made. Not only do they have large enclosures, but they also have excellent enrichment, involved Zoo keepers, and highly trained staff. Out of the best of these would have to be the San Diego Wild Animal Park. It has a massive section of land, several acres wide and long, specifically for the animals of Africa. This includes giraffes, Zebras, rhinos, and many other creatures. The only way to see this section of the zoo is through a tram that runs along the side of the exhibit. The public is not allowed to walk anywhere near it. If the PETA says that this is a terrible thing to do, they are just plain wrong.
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Its jsut such a waste of money. Im sure the zoo your talking about could easily be renovated or the animals releses to the wild with the money peta rake in.
You cannot release most captive animals into the wild - in any case, there isn't much of a wild left! Animal rights organisations have bettered the zoo, however. This is the zoo I am talking about: http://www.petaindia.com/zoo/westBengal-aliporeZoologicalGardens.asp PETA is not exaggerating, I have been to the zoo MANY times and I assure you it is all very true.
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Well, the San diego Zoo and Los Angeles Zoo released several California condors to the wild, and actually saved it from extinction. There is absolutely no argument there. The PETA can't say that all zoos are bad...
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The zoo had bred and trained the animals specifically for release. You can't just throw them out of their enclosures and into the wild!
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Thats why i said it would take money to train them to be wild. But PETA does think San diego Zoo is bad i heard they dumped a load of elephant poo on there entrence.
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I didnt here anything about that... And PETA thinks all Zoos are bad. even if they are as great as a conservation cause as the San Diego Wild animal park or zoo. If the PETA had there way, California condors would not exist anymore.
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Nore would any captive animal. They would all die. To me that sounds insesative and lazy. Insted of improveing amimals live they will just make sure there are no more.
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Well, considering the state of animals in factory farms, that wouldn't be a very bad thing now, would it? (not referring to pets) I think it's insensitive to keep the animals in factory farms!
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I heard this group was mean to animals, or something like that. :(
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PETA has some valid points, especially like Crooky said about the animal farm factories. I don't eat meat that doesn't have a happy life prior to me ingesting it. Now, PETA MAY not have the best way of handling things. Heck, they do 98% all wrong things. BUT the thing is, is they did one very real thing right - they got you talking about them, and about animal rights. And like I said, I don't eat factory animals, well, PETA is against them too. I don't mind Zoos while PETA is against them, but that's another thing that PETA let's you do: it makes you take a stand on an issue that if they weren't so radical you may never consider. Who has never heard of PETA? Hardly anyone, and it gets you talking about something that ordinarily you might never even think about. That is one reason they are so radical - because if they did it the nice casual way, no one would think about, talk about, do anything about animal rights. I had one friend say "What's the Sierra Club?" but then I mentioned PETA and they say "You know, I hate those guys but they bring up some excellent points about animal rights." DING DING. PETA is now officially effective in their goal, which may be different than it looks like - sure they would love complete eradication of zoos and pets, etc, but really what's more important is to get people and informed and maybe just MAYBE convert a few people to do something about animal rights. One person can't do much in a war but several people make up an army.
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Well peta values animals more than humans, which is plain wrong. If one rat were to die to get a cure for AIDs they would be against it.
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Mika: they may get people talking about animal rights, but they may also give people the wrong impression that all animal activists are radicals and stereotypical "eat nothing that casts a shadow" people. The way they act is doing more against the animal rights cause then it is helping them.
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but mika has a point - it does catch peoples attention, which is more than most animal rights organizations do
(AD - vegetables also cast shadows :slol:)
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It catches people's attention, but in the wrong way.
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im not denying that, but it does get attention, which is what they want, essentially
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Right I was never saying its the correct method but if it wasn't working they wouldn't be doing it still.
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Why not spend there money on trying to grow meat in vats. Then everyones happy.
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Umm ewww lol. That sounds absolutely revolting.
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Why? Its just a cell culture. No GM all you need to do is grow some ussle cells and strecht he m to simulate movement. Its a more realiste solution to only eating plants and being all sick and fragile.
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Umm I'm by no means sick or fragile and you can get all of the amino acids you need from vegan resources. It takes a little more work then just eating a burger but its possible and vegans are actually much more healthy then people who consume red meats. Anything that is good for your body takes more work than something that is bad for it though. Fast food vs. Homecooked meal. Watching TV vs Playing a Sport.
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Yeah good old TV. But whats wrong with meat from vats? Its just a bunch of cells.